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Popple
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: | Stay on topic people. You can flame him in his PM's. Nothing in the rules about that...
Humans are only worth the limits of their abilities. They are like tools. If one becomes useless, simply cast it aside in favor of a more sharp one. |
Sir, this is a tasteful discussion.
I would appreciate it if you kept your dick jokes out of this. :U |
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PEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Cherry
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| Parabuzzy King wrote: | | Yaranaikachu wrote: | | Parabuzzy King wrote: | | Yaranaikachu wrote: | | Parabuzzy King wrote: | | Nastasia wrote: | | Parabuzzy King wrote: | | Plant life has no value what so ever. |
i don't know if you ever learned this in school or not, but plants inhale(not sure if that's the correct term, i don't usually think about this shit everyday lol) carbon dioxide and exhale(same deal here) oxygen, which we need to survive. so uh yeah plants don't just make things pretty.
and like other people said stop trying to be emo and retarded |
But if you look at the topic title then you woulkd know that reason doesnt matter cause humans suck too |
Actually, reason and logic still exist, even if humans don't use them. There is life in the universe, besides one measly planet. And besides, RaveRaze, if human life is so meaningless, why the hell are you here, and still alive? |
to spread the message |
A redundant message, that is. If its spreader deems himself valueless, the words he utters, and the actions he does, reflect this lack of value.
And don't try saying you're exceptional, either. That's not gonna work here. |
Wait, whats the point to that, so your saying that if I say im valueless, what i say is valueless. No thats a stupid thing to say cause those words are still valuable to someone else |
But people who have no meaning gain nothing of meaning from words with no meaning from people with no meaning.
Your life is a lie. |
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~A color is just a color~
Frozenwinters
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I love it when Cherry posts in this topic. |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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Okay, so if what this topic is saying is correct, I can deduct the following:
Human life is worthless.
All life is worthless.
Therefore, the universe is worthless.
If the universe is worthless, then why was it created (by whatever theory anyone may believe in) in the first place? If this wasn't supposed to happen, then why DID it happen? It would have to happen for a reason, and while the reason may not have necessarily been life, it was a result that once again wouldn't happen unless it was supposed to.
You know, a person said something that a lot of people say, and although none of us know who said it first, we know what said person said:
"Everything happens for a reason."
Yes. I know most, if not all of you have heard this saying. Well, take this into consideration with everything this topic talks about.
Animals have a reason: To thrive and live. Yes, it's not a meaningful reason, but it stands as is.
Plants have a reason: To nourish the animals' diets (for herbivores) as well as oxygenate the air for animals to live in the first place.
Humans have a reason: To completey throw off the world ecosystem and ultimately destroy the earth. Sure, it's not a nice one, but it's a reason nonetheless.
So, with the theory of reason jammed into all living things' heads, let's take a look at the non-living things. Like the elements. As in the periodic table. A decent amount of these materials help us and other animals live. Why would these elements have properties crucial to survival if life wasn't supposed to exist? Even the rocks below our feet are telling us that life is supposed to be in existence.
I could ramble on about more, but I'd prefer not to, as I'm in my goverment class, and I'm supposed to be working on classwork.
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vdogam3r
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:14 pm
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| Red Scarf Prinny wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | Stay on topic people. You can flame him in his PM's. Nothing in the rules about that...
Humans are only worth the limits of their abilities. They are like tools. If one becomes useless, simply cast it aside in favor of a more sharp one. |
Sir, this is a tasteful discussion.
I would appreciate it if you kept your dick jokes out of this. :U |
I got cut ;_; |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:17 pm
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| Geno wrote: | Okay, so if what this topic is saying is correct, I can deduct the following:
Human life is worthless.
All life is worthless.
Therefore, the universe is worthless.
If the universe is worthless, then why was it created (by whatever theory anyone may believe in) in the first place? If this wasn't supposed to happen, then why DID it happen? It would have to happen for a reason, and while the reason may not have necessarily been life, it was a result that once again wouldn't happen unless it was supposed to.
You know, a person said something that a lot of people say, and although none of us know who said it first, we know what said person said:
"Everything happens for a reason."
Yes. I know most, if not all of you have heard this saying. Well, take this into consideration with everything this topic talks about.
Animals have a reason: To thrive and live. Yes, it's not a meaningful reason, but it stands as is.
Plants have a reason: To nourish the animals' diets (for herbivores) as well as oxygenate the air for animals to live in the first place.
Humans have a reason: To completey throw off the world ecosystem and ultimately destroy the earth. Sure, it's not a nice one, but it's a reason nonetheless.
So, with the theory of reason jammed into all living things' heads, let's take a look at the non-living things. Like the elements. As in the periodic table. A decent amount of these materials help us and other animals live. Why would these elements have properties crucial to survival if life wasn't supposed to exist? Even the rocks below our feet are telling us that life is supposed to be in existence.
I could ramble on about more, but I'd prefer not to, as I'm in my goverment class, and I'm supposed to be working on classwork. |
Who said the universe is worthless, its obvious the planets are of some importance to the omnipotent beings that exist |
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CFH
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Next question: What's the use in "sprading the message"? The only ones who will hear the message are worthless, according to your logic. And what's the use in "spreading the message"? If no life has a value, then clearly, no life is harming anything. |
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Token Nazi?
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| RaveRaze wrote: |
Plants have no value except to make the earth pretty, and beauty is *crag* important isnt it
We dont need animals seeing as we can already supplement ourselves with any plants or pills
We may know much about the scientifics and workings of the earth, but we dont know its overall purpose. Why does the earth exist though? Is it a harbor for life? A meaningless rock which blossomed after some unknown event. For right now the earth has no purpose.
And do you even understand what the word dread means, or are you just putting in random *crag* words you know nothing about. HOW THE *crag* AM I TERRIFIED OF BABIES.
@Tsuki The members of digibutter arent important enough for proper grammar, @Tyler I have reasons for my anger |
... Ba dum tish. Please, never attempt to join a terraforming project. BIODIVERSITY AND BIOSPHERES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. And neither do ecosystems. Biology: E-. See me after class.
Anyway, who cares about the "Why ?" That's a personal question - you expect science to come up with something personal and depply individual ? Some people say random chance, some say religion, but it'S not scientific. Existence is an abstract philosophical concept and therefore science doesn't care.
If you are terrified of babies, there is something wrong with you, because human psychology is programmed to automatically like any lifeform fitting parameters such as baby-like proportions, big eyes,bla bla bla. The so-called "Kindchenschema" is what makes dogs and cats adorable. It's helping babies survive, hardcoded into your mind. If that isn't there, you might want to seek professional help.
Oh, and Bartz - I couldn't have said it better. <Applause>
@TCH - I do believe that some humans don't wish to exert force over lesser, but that may be because I don't believe in higher or lesser humans. Yes, I am a wide-eyed idealist; I find it easier to cope. I still believe in public good and a reasonably selfless action. (All action is ultimately selfish, but many only subconsciously. So therefore, reasonably selfless.)
| RaveRazey wrote: | | Gain for what, Something that will ultimately be for naught. Power that will vanish, wealth that will disappear, knowledge that will fade. No its useless to gain any power since your going to die and your only harming the planet until your dead |
| The Chaos Heart wrote: | This is also true. Things that last forever are the only things that matter...
One more reason why I dislike humans... |
That'S like saying that rollercoasters are useless because they will end. We all will die, and we are aware of that, even if we suppress it. IT gives our live shape, a drive to do things. If we were all immortal, development and culture would stagnate. We will die one day, but until then we hope to accomplish personal goals. And the same thing is true for humankind as a whole. One day, we might be eradicated - but we left a mark for the next milennia. We lived. We helped. We could have not evolved, we could have stayed in the cages, bu we didn't and so here we are. We're gonna die anyway, so I'd say we make the most out of it whilst we can. I had the eco and resource dilemma, too - and, I'm sad to say it, but one generation is gonna have to pay the bills, and then humankind might be dead if we don't develop space travel. It's gonna happen anyway, but with recycling and similar procedures we can elongate the planetary life.
@Geno: I'd like to quote Rousseau at this time:
| Quote: | Our will is always for our own good, but we do not always see what that is.
— Jean-Jacques Rousseau, French philosopher during the Enlightenment |
I don't think anyone wants to destroy the earth, they're just blocking out the consequences in order to live the good life a little longer. Humans want to have it good, but often lack in comparing their good to the good of others.
Also, plants wanna life too. They're not dispensers.
| RaveRaze wrote: | | Who said the universe is worthless, its obvious the planets are of some importance to the omnipotent beings that exist |
I thought science didn't prove that.
I love it when Digi goes all pseudo-philosophical and finally has a topic with potential for posts more intelligent then "MAH DICK IS HUUUUGE: >:D" and then it dissolves into bullshit anyway.
... Wait, no. D: |
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and I control the decks
carfilledwithfish
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:43 am
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| Parabuzzy King wrote: |
Who said the universe is worthless, its obvious the planets are of some importance to the omnipotent beings that exist |
That's "obvious?"
If there are omnipotent beings out there who think the universe is important, who's to say that they don't think the things living ON the planets are important as well? |
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Token Nazi?
Zelnor
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... There is a novel, where a race of magical omnmipotent whatevers creates the universe to gather new experiences - and then becomes mortal and wipes its own memories, in order to experience.
Aparently they re-ascent after death or something.
And RaveRaze, killing your self would be quite bad. Your parents and friends would go equally emo and start looking for a reason, and maybe some newspaper would frontpage Francis with the caption "BAN THIS SICK FILTH" and I don't want that.
I can smell the headlines - forum causes teenage suicide. |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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The meaning of life is to reproduce and die.  |
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vdogam3r
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MAH DICK IS HUGE: >:D |
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Noble Swordsman
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The value of life...
The value of life, any life, of anything, is determined by the will and the soul of the life at stake. No life is meaningless, and no life has meaning without a cause. If one were to say that the life of one or even themselves was a meaningless cause, then they are cursed with the rotten negativity that plagues the minds of those who lack the willpower to find their cause.
No life should be wasted, but unfortunately that is often the case in this world today. We live. We do. We die. That is how it seems, is it not? But one must look beyond that veil of indignity and into the hope that we should have, the belief in ourselves and the cause that we strive for. Without such a thing, many find themselves dead without dying in the first place.
To live, or to Live. That is the question. |
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RaveRaze
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| Zelnor wrote: | | Alot of shit |
So the meaning of existance is philosphical correct. Well my philosophy is that everything is worthless and that humans, animals, and planets arent having a positive effect on anything except themselves. The planet is more important than its residents so to save the planet from being killed and drained of its energy the parasites that use it must be killed.
And this "Kindchenschema" ((Im assuming theyres and english word for it)) well thats just by fitting the norm, and not expressing yourself. Meaning your making yourself be like everyone else. If we were all similar the mark were supposedly leaving for society is going to be the same through out time, Making the mark also useless. And whats this mark even for, more uselessness just to advance ourselves and further hurting the planet and even our fellow living organisms. AND HOW IS PROGRESS LIVING LIFE TO THE FULLEST. Id rather be having fun to live life to the fullest.
And Science hasnt proved theyre arent omnipotent beings, thats why their is religion. Stupid Stupid Religion. |
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hai
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| Parabuzzy King wrote: | | Zelnor wrote: | | Alot of shit |
So the meaning of existance is philosphical correct. Well my philosophy is that everything is worthless and that humans, animals, and planets arent having a positive effect on anything except themselves. The planet is more important than its residents so to save the planet from being killed and drained of its energy the parasites that use it must be killed.
And this "Kindchenschema" ((Im assuming theyres and english word for it)) well thats just by fitting the norm, and not expressing yourself. Meaning your making yourself be like everyone else. If we were all similar the mark were supposedly leaving for society is going to be the same through out time, Making the mark also useless. And whats this mark even for, more uselessness just to advance ourselves and further hurting the planet and even our fellow living organisms. AND HOW IS PROGRESS LIVING LIFE TO THE FULLEST. Id rather be having fun to live life to the fullest.
And Science hasnt proved theyre arent omnipotent beings, thats why their is religion. Stupid Stupid Religion. |
Religion is more than just praising a seemingly nonexistant deity. Most larger scale ones are ways of life that help one get through the day knowing they aren't the only one who thinks the way they do.
In basics, Religion for the most part is a large scale mantra. |
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