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RaveRaze
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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:49 pm
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Its real on this world. Maybe this world is in your subconsious |
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Lord Bob
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:50 pm
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| RaveRaze wrote: | It can be a figment of your imagination cause your imagination isnt real
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| Popple wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | If it has no physical form its not real, and yes things like the wind and tide have a physical form becuase you can feel it. Everything else is just another stupid concept or idea. |
Science has no place is the theological realm sir.
Semantics, that is all it is here.
If you wish to make an argument, than at least put some validity in it.
You say things like the wind have physical form, yet now you open a whole new realm of discussion.
What of matter, quarks? You do not feel these yet we know them to be true.
What of anti-matter? Sadly these concepts are out of my grasp.
To find the soul, or indeed to disprove it, one must search deeper than science.
Science, like all religions, blinds the follower to all other views, to all other ideas.
To see the soul you must open your mind to all possibilities.
To debate the soul you must argue with logic, not with data.
This is the reason most atheist disgust me.
They act like they are far superior to all other human beings, as if they are some kind of *crag* arian race, just because they can read a *crag* book.
Tell me, was this computer you are sitting a possibility centuries ago?
Just because something is yet to be discovered does not mean it doesn't exsist.
It is this close minded perspective that plagues the planet and halts us from moving forward.
People see themselves as god simply because they have more knowledge than they did in the past.
They speak of evolution as if it was written on some *crag* ancient scroll pointing towards the path of prosperity, yet they refuse to acknowledge it's active affects on normal society.
They feel empowered by an obvious pattern, as if it was a *crag* phenomenon that the human races progresses.
*crag* idiots. |
Remember that, Raveraze? |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:54 pm
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Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:55 pm
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| RaveRaze wrote: | | Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
Now, your entire statement is invalid.
According to your logic, you're a figment of my imagination. I made you go away, which is possible with any figment, right?
But no, you didn't go away. This means your entire argument thus far has been nothing more than running around in circles. |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:02 pm
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| Bartz Klauser wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
Now, your entire statement is invalid.
According to your logic, you're a figment of my imagination. I made you go away, which is possible with any figment, right?
But no, you didn't go away. This means your entire argument thus far has been nothing more than running around in circles. |
Your imagination has just run wild you dont have control of it |
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Lord Bob
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:15 pm
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I absolutely LOVE how this topic got derailed.
Now people, go back to discussing how right I am about communism and socialism. |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:18 pm
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| RaveRaze wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
Now, your entire statement is invalid.
According to your logic, you're a figment of my imagination. I made you go away, which is possible with any figment, right?
But no, you didn't go away. This means your entire argument thus far has been nothing more than running around in circles. |
Your imagination has just run wild you dont have control of it |
Sometimes I think you're the one meant to be the LDer. |
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oar
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:36 pm
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| RaveRaze wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
Now, your entire statement is invalid.
According to your logic, you're a figment of my imagination. I made you go away, which is possible with any figment, right?
But no, you didn't go away. This means your entire argument thus far has been nothing more than running around in circles. |
Your imagination has just run wild you dont have control of it |
If everyone is a figment of your imagination, how are other people logically smarter than you? The most you can do when imagining intelligence is say that they're smarter. They wouldn't know certain facts or contain true knowledge unless it was something you also knew. |
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Cid
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:44 pm
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Capitalism is the opposite of communism.
As for socialism and communism, the fact that there still exists a government in socialism is a superficial difference at most. The fact remains that bost place emphasis on the society rather than the individual, both try to eliminate economic competition and equalize the distribution of wealth, both try to create a classless society by artificial means, and that socialism is the path to take to achieve communism, so saying that socialism is the opposite of communism is as meaningless as saying that capitalism is the opposite of anarcho-capitalism. Communism is essentially socialism without government; in terms of function, socialism and communism are the same, except for the fact that one is realistically achievable and the other is an impossibility.
It doesn't matter, though. They're both terrible philosophies as a whole, although some ideas can be taken from socialism to help maintain national stability in a free market society.
| Quote: | | The working man has no choice, and is therefore powerless. There are classes in socialism. |
If you're talking about the imperfect "authoritarian socialism" that we saw in the Soviet Union, but I'd assume you're talking about "pure socialism," due to how you're describing pure "communism." No, pure socialism is an attempt at removing classes just as much as pure communism is (But through the aid of government), just as pure capitalism is an attempt at allowing individuals to freely move in and out of classes and income levels due to their hard work and self-interest. The problem with all three philosophies, however, is that they are all extremely hard to achieve (With pure communism being impossible, due to human nature.) |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:16 pm
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| BALLISTIC TIGER 8 wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | Obviously I remember that, I mean I did create it in my mind seeing as Popple is a figment of my imagination. Is theyre something your not getting here |
Now, your entire statement is invalid.
According to your logic, you're a figment of my imagination. I made you go away, which is possible with any figment, right?
But no, you didn't go away. This means your entire argument thus far has been nothing more than running around in circles. |
Your imagination has just run wild you dont have control of it |
If everyone is a figment of your imagination, how are other people logically smarter than you? The most you can do when imagining intelligence is say that they're smarter. They wouldn't know certain facts or contain true knowledge unless it was something you also knew. |
Well lets take for example the episode of jimmy neutron where in Carl's Dream nothing makes sense to Jimmy who knows its a dream, but to Carl everything makes sense. By the fact I have awakened to the fact that im in a dream, everything lost all logical form, so now everything makes no sense to me |
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Parabuzzy Queen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:25 pm
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I...
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...RaveRaze, stop talking before you make my head implode. Because lacking a brain to make decisions, my body would start taking cues from my vagina and that is something you do not want.
Back on topic--type define: communism into Google. The first hit should be:
| Quote: | | • a form of socialism that abolishes private ownership |
Socialism itself is, as you said, government-run. Communism is merely taking that concept a step further--making all property the government's, and, in theory, everyone's. It's sort of a moot point, though, as there is no such thing as "perfect" communism anyway. It always *crag* up somewhere along the line. |
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Lord Bob
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:23 am
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I see where you're both coming from, Cid and PQ, but let me ask you this.
Stalin's U.S.S.R. was run with a Totallitarian regime, in which the government contolled basically everything. This was quite similar to Fascism, though Stalin claimed he was different.
I have also read both Animal Farm and 1984, and they have given me a glimpse at what Totallitarian life is like. There are certainly classes which are divided, but no chance to move about them such as in Capitalism. It is certainly not Communism, as there is total government control. The only other logical choice that remains is Socialism, but due to your definitions, it couldn't be that either.
So, since that removes all the 3 choices of economics, what sort of government did the communists run? Some strange mix of capitalism and socialism? |
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Cid
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:38 am
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| Lord Bob wrote: | | Some strange mix of capitalism and socialism? |
Not capitalism and socialism; to be capitalist, the government must be really hands-off, and there needs to be a primarily free and private market. I'd call the Soviet Union more of a mix between authoritarianism (As a form of government) and socialism. Of course, the leaders that were in charge when the Soviet Union was around didn't want to admit that this was really what they were (Socialism or communism sounds nicer than "authoritarianism", after all.)
A mix of capitalism and socialism is more like what the United States has now (Although it, thankfully, still leans more on the capitalist side than the socialist side.)
Look to the Political Compass thread as an example. The Soviet Union would probably be somewhere within the top left, whereas a socialist state would be more in the middle left, and a communist state would be in the bottom left. The United States is somewhere within the middle right. |
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Can I be the first to say that apple trees can grow oranges? :U |
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vdogam3r
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:35 pm
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| RaveRaze wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | RaveRaze wrote: | | one of mah books wrote: | | communism is considered to be a branch of socialism |
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It is perfectly possible for a branch to be an opposite. |
..... no if you have a tree thats maple its not possible for part of it to be jelly beans |
Was that... serious? |
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