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Better than yours Myst
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1076
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:38 pm
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I really have mixed opinions on this matter. As long as it won't harm the animal I'm fine. But if it does, I'll get mad.
I don't find the statement that it will make them live less painful lives to be legit. If animals have lived for billions of years, they're not suddenly going to all die out unless we "improve" them. |
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Boomer (redundancy!) Boomer Vampire
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 810
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:13 pm
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| lightening wrote: | Well, i believe that some animals are highly intelligent, such as dogs or(maybe soemtimes) cats. but i believe that doing violent and painfully test on an intelligent animal is cruel, unless its really a HUGE contribution to life, like ther cure of cancer(i know thats exaggerating)
but on lesser animal such as rats or.... fish(no insult of rat/fish lovers, it really isnt HORRIBLE becasue it as being an unitreligent animal, dosent TRULY concept the idea of pain, but im not it so i wouldnt know:/
| Elzilcho wrote: | | (I'm really not used to writing this much >_>; ) |
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...are you saying that rats don't comprehend pain? you have no idea how wrong you are. rats are also much more intelligent than you might think, SSSSS-BLAM...I've owned two; I know what I'm talking about.
anyway, I disagree with animal testing. especially the testing of cosmetics and the like. Its just not worth it... |
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lightening Anti-Guy Vampire
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 1506
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:02 am
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| Boomer wrote: | | lightening wrote: | Well, i believe that some animals are highly intelligent, such as dogs or(maybe soemtimes) cats. but i believe that doing violent and painfully test on an intelligent animal is cruel, unless its really a HUGE contribution to life, like ther cure of cancer(i know thats exaggerating)
but on lesser animal such as rats or.... fish(no insult of rat/fish lovers, it really isnt HORRIBLE becasue it as being an unitreligent animal, dosent TRULY concept the idea of pain, but im not it so i wouldnt know:/
| Elzilcho wrote: | | (I'm really not used to writing this much >_>; ) |
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i have 2 currently, im not sayuing that they dont, errr well, i said it wrong, its just that rats have much less intelligence than dogs(i know) i have a siberian husky, hes like 300 IQ
...are you saying that rats don't comprehend pain? you have no idea how wrong you are. rats are also much more intelligent than you might think, SSSSS-BLAM...I've owned two; I know what I'm talking about.
anyway, I disagree with animal testing. especially the testing of cosmetics and the like. Its just not worth it... |
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Jr. Troopa Admiral Bobbery
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 3866
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:02 am
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This would be one of the most difficult subjects for me to talk about, but I’ll do my best.
As a younger child, I had always been for animal testing. I had always thought that you could clone an animal, and test the cloned animal to see if the medicine or the experimentation. It would seem as you really wouldn’t be losing any animal in the process. I also believed that it was a great way to help modern medicine grow.
Now when I look back at that, I really do debate if it is really right to do this. It is animal cruelty, testing it on them, but we can’t test it on humans, because the humans will get killed. In this case, also the animals who were tested will also get killed. It does help our society in improving modern medicine, as we can advance to more types of medicine and experiments and figure out new things. If only there was another way to test the new medicine and experiments. If someone should create an analyzer, and it would detect on how it would behave in a typical person’s system, I think that it would be a great idea.
Though I will believe, that animals do feel pain, and it makes me sad, when I hear an animal getting killed, because they were tested with a vaccine, or an experiment was done on them. They can feel, and they can feel pain. When dogs whimper, they feel pain, when fish float upside down , they feel pain. We don’t really know how their pain really feels, because we are not them. We don’t know how we would be as them, and couldn’t imagine their pain. I for one, believe that they feel pain through these experiments, and most people come to the conclusion that they don’t feel pain, but for one, I believe that the pain they feel is wrong, and an alternate method for testing the new medicine and experiments, should be created soon. |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:30 am
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One year ago, I was a strongly active part of an anti-animal abuse, including animal testing.
Nowadays, I am aware that anything of that kind doesn't help. Humanity already screwed up enough to make it irreversible IMO. Nao you can shoot me for it, kthx.
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Tails Doll
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 30513
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:49 pm
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Well, it is obvious humans rule the whole planet, so really, there is nothing stopping us from animal testing. |
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Bartz Klauser BAMFing ARCHER Werewolf
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 7637
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:33 pm
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It is just cruel, torturing animals so that we can gain knowledge. Knowledge that we are not meant to gain. I can easily tell that such modifications to animals are an attempt at playing God/creator, which is by far beyond the human limit. |
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Digi's official furry Lord Rattata
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 8498
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:17 am
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| Sandslash wrote: | | Well, it is obvious humans rule the whole planet, so really, there is nothing stopping us from animal testing. |
except me. |
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Ruki Motomiya Vampire
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:23 am
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Not /THAT/ against it, but it depends on the type of testing.
If it's the kind if testing that yields results in superfical or extremely minor things, at the price of...say, the animal's life, then it is not a useful experiment for the cost of life.
However, if it yields in things helpful to life, minor things that benefit the race of man or even other animals, then it is fine.
It's really just a further step of natural strong > weak, if you ask me.
We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension.
Well, if you ask me, that is. |
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Digi's official furry Lord Rattata
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:26 am
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| Ruki Motomiya wrote: | Not /THAT/ against it, but it depends on the type of testing.
If it's the kind if testing that yields results in superfical or extremely minor things, at the price of...say, the animal's life, then it is not a useful experiment for the cost of life.
However, if it yields in things helpful to life, minor things that benefit the race of man or even other animals, then it is fine.
It's really just a further step of natural strong > weak, if you ask me.
We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension.
Well, if you ask me, that is. |
Thanks to this post, y'all won't be ^.^ |
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Ruki Motomiya Vampire
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 4127
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:27 am
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| Yena wrote: | | Ruki Motomiya wrote: | Not /THAT/ against it, but it depends on the type of testing.
If it's the kind if testing that yields results in superfical or extremely minor things, at the price of...say, the animal's life, then it is not a useful experiment for the cost of life.
However, if it yields in things helpful to life, minor things that benefit the race of man or even other animals, then it is fine.
It's really just a further step of natural strong > weak, if you ask me.
We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
{U}If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension.{/U]
Well, if you ask me, that is. |
Thanks to this post, y'all won't be ^.^ |
Then still it shall be the fair in the balance of life. |
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Digi's official furry Lord Rattata
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 8498
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:28 am
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| Ruki Motomiya wrote: | | Yena wrote: | | Ruki Motomiya wrote: | Not /THAT/ against it, but it depends on the type of testing.
If it's the kind if testing that yields results in superfical or extremely minor things, at the price of...say, the animal's life, then it is not a useful experiment for the cost of life.
However, if it yields in things helpful to life, minor things that benefit the race of man or even other animals, then it is fine.
It's really just a further step of natural strong > weak, if you ask me.
We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
{U}If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension.{/U]
Well, if you ask me, that is. |
Thanks to this post, y'all won't be ^.^ |
Then still it shall be the fair in the balance of life. |
Yeah, I love anarchy. I just hate h-
yknow, one thing I love more than animals is..
Fair... everything must be fair.... |
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Ruki Motomiya Vampire
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 4127
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:30 am
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| Yena wrote: | | Ruki Motomiya wrote: | | Yena wrote: | | Ruki Motomiya wrote: | Not /THAT/ against it, but it depends on the type of testing.
If it's the kind if testing that yields results in superfical or extremely minor things, at the price of...say, the animal's life, then it is not a useful experiment for the cost of life.
However, if it yields in things helpful to life, minor things that benefit the race of man or even other animals, then it is fine.
It's really just a further step of natural strong > weak, if you ask me.
We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
{U}If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension.{/U]
Well, if you ask me, that is. |
Thanks to this post, y'all won't be ^.^ |
Then still it shall be the fair in the balance of life. |
Yeah, I love anarchy. I just hate h-
yknow, one thing I love more than animals is..
Fair... everything must be fair.... |
Meh. Little is fair in life and that which is soon changes like all.
Unfairness has, and will, always exist if you ask me.
Then again, now we might be touching a topic that is out of the scope of this topic as this begins applying to stuff outside of Animal Testing. So I shall stop now. |
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Searching For Tippi mikeytrend
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 877
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:47 am
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| Ruki Motomiya wrote: | We are the dominant and strong in humanity, who can defeat the animals. Therefor, we use them for things such as food and clothing and to better our own race.
If the animals were in our positions and the humans theirs, I would still say what I said, because the dominant can do such at a natural level and thus it is only an extension. |
I wish it was easy to define what was worth testing using animals and what wasn't, but to make a set of complicated rules wouldn't really work. If someone can think of a set that works, I'm all for it. I agree with you because it's important for us to learn about diseases and such, but the view that we are dominant and strong is totally distorted.
If anything, as the human race, it's important for us to watch out for others (like a big sibling to a little one). With such great power some great responsibility and it is our responsibility to take care and watch over all of the animals on earth, no matter how horrible a creature they may be. |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:44 am
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| Yena wrote: | | Sandslash wrote: | | Well, it is obvious humans rule the whole planet, so really, there is nothing stopping us from animal testing. |
except me. | "You" being completely unable to stop it, therefore, still nothing stopping us.
That's what I said there before. We already screwed up enough with anything of that kind, so, it's not worth fighting against. As we should know we lost already. |
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