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Burn them out rawrskey Benned Vampire

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 14262
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:40 pm
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Popple certainly had his moments where he was a great mod... but he's in another place completely.
When he doesn't get what he wants, he spams and causes his own brand of drama... this.
Sorry Popple, just making observations. |
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Elite Nerr Francis

Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 6974
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:58 pm
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I'm not sure you really want what you are asking for.
I really wanted to avoid having to quote a rule book everytime I accuse someone of a crime. "section 5, paragraph 8, thou shalt not cross-post". But if you all insist that we have reached that place where this is a requirement, I will formalize the rules and have them strictly enforced. |
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Burn them out rawrskey Benned Vampire

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 14262
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:02 pm
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| Francis wrote: | I'm not sure you really want what you are asking for.
I really wanted to avoid having to quote a rule book everytime I accuse someone of a crime. "section 5, paragraph 8, thou shalt not cross-post". But if you all insist that we have reached that place where this is a requirement, I will formalize the rules and have them strictly enforced. |
Honestly, Francis, I like the leniancy of the rules... in fact I love it...
but if you look at digibutter the way it is, it's apparently not working. It's not because digibutter is chaotic, though it certainly may seem that way... it's because no group of members can ever be pleased with this site.
I suggest that you be MUCH more strict, for at least a week, and then we'll see how everyone enjoys it. It'll be a short matter of time before the members all whine that they can't have any fun, and we'll end up back at square one... as usual. |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
HP: 100 MP: 10 Lives: 11
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:11 pm
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I AM STRIKE PROOF
I'm a preferred member. And In all reality that isn't a good thing. We need ALL moderators to Punish ALL Equally.
Have you forgotten of the singed eyebrow, how is it that I A well know spammer of old has NEVER been Jailed When I've done more than my fair share. Mind you There are loose links. Hell I spammed yesterday ( out of protest) And All I got was a Move/Delete..... All I ever get are move/deletes and strike less Locks
Now I know I'm on good terms with the moderation team, and I value a few friendships between them, But Certain people need to worry about their job and not their Reputation. Just because I'm An A/B list Personality of the site doesn't mean I'm going to start an uprising against you.... that is unless you aren't doing your job.... oh fancy that.
I don't have a problem with the rules in place. I have a problem with the lack of enforcement, and blatant favoritism. and if any of you moderators have any questions about this, Contact me personally about it. Ill tell you my issues. |
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Mister I Almaz
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 19527
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:18 pm
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The problem with mods...is that yes, they're human. Obviously, if someone intelligent or caring or not a total bastard/bitch breaks the rules (excepting spam), the moderation staff is going to wonder what's wrong, and won't willingly strike. However, that's natural human emotion. Schools, prisions, and sometimes the police do things like that. It's a record, if yours is clean, you're going to get lesser of a punishment.
Also, I think that we have a very thin line between member responsibility and moderation duty. Have you ever thought that, when a flame war is about to happen, you can use WORDS to solve your problems, instead of inb4lock? You can still report to the mods, give them a little heads-up and a "watch this if it goes too far", but sometimes, things can be solved by the members, instead of the mods. You realize that you DO have some power members: you have the power of yourself, and the power to influence others. Use the power...and use it wisely.
We honestly just complain to the first sign of authority we see. Something's wrong in the U.S.? President's fault. Something's wrong on digibutter? Mod's faults. But guess whose faults it really is?
Yours.
Calm down and look at yourselves. |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:22 pm
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How is it my fault if someone gets jailed for stuff I got away with scores of times?
Why do I have a clean Slate, I don't deserve it. Luck? No its favoritism. The mods need to suck up some of their human Quality's and do their job. Unbiased. |
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Mister I Almaz
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 19527
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:27 pm
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| O Chunks wrote: | How is it my fault if someone gets jailed for stuff I got away with scores of times?
Why do I have a clean Slate, I don't deserve it. Luck? No its favoritism. The mods need to suck up some of their human Quality's and do their job. Unbiased. | Hey, rant about it all you want. I'm not specifically addressing you on this issue, O'Chunks, as much as the people before you. But I am defensive for the mods, due to knowing their quirks probably better than most of you, so...yeah. Let's be responsible members and influence those around us to greatness, 'K? ^^ |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:33 pm
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| Mister I wrote: | | O Chunks wrote: | How is it my fault if someone gets jailed for stuff I got away with scores of times?
Why do I have a clean Slate, I don't deserve it. Luck? No its favoritism. The mods need to suck up some of their human Quality's and do their job. Unbiased. | Hey, rant about it all you want. I'm not specifically addressing you on this issue, O'Chunks, as much as the people before you. But I am defensive for the mods, due to knowing their quirks probably better than most of you, so...yeah. Let's be responsible members and influence those around us to greatness, 'K? ^^ |
Their quirks shouldn't effect their job! Regardless of how many influential folk follow the rules there will always be Spam. This is a fact. Moderators need to deal with spam, Keep the peace. and help members when asked questions. THEY need to be a Beacon of light. As well as the members. They also need to be the hammer of justice.
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Mister I Almaz
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 19527
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:38 pm
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Oh, you're specifically focusing on Spam? Alright then, I thought we were above arguing about spam, since spam is spam. I see a point there. But every other strikable aspect I stand behind my reasoning, sorry. ^^ |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:42 pm
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| Mister I wrote: | | Oh, you're specifically focusing on Spam? Alright then, I thought we were above arguing about spam, since spam is spam. I see a point there. But every other strikable aspect I stand behind my reasoning, sorry. ^^ |
Its not just for spam. Actually it all really boils down to spam. If someone who isnt a preferred member posts something thats not normal for them to do so, Like to pull names out of a hat, Goron Mask made a topic in general about wanting to kill himself, it would be locked and strike'd, seen as a "joke topic" A Spam Topic, when in fact it could be more than that. ( regardless of the rules broken by posting it in General of Off Topic.)
While some members live above this..... Thats a point that needs to be Made. |
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Richest user. :D Super Ultimario
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 5704
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:42 pm
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Agreed 100% about the bias thing. All the mods are biased in some way, heck, even Francis is biased.
You want me to prove it? Two words: Lord Bowser.
He's a ridiculously huge spammer, yet for a very long time the only time he'd been striked/jailed for real is that one time he went overboard and posted the same thread 6-8 times at a party. Recently it's been improved on a bit, but even before we had mods Francis was just moving/deleting his threads and doing nothing else about it. Why? Because he makes quality posts occasionally. Because every bit of spam he's ever made is actually, well, funny.
This is unfortunately the case with other semi-quality members. If somebody doesn't bring much epicness or good to the site, no mercy. If somebody who's a semi-quality member spams or flames rarely, they don't get striked often.
If somebody spams all at once, for example they post 4 spam threads in Feedback, they get severe punishment, regardless of member quality. Jailing for a week or two, perma-banning, etc. However, if somebody slowly spams, such as making a spam thread in Media, then in a week one in Feedback, then in a few days one in General Discussion, waits a month, and then repeats a similar process, they'll likely get jailed for about an hour and that's all. |
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Elite Nerr Francis

Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 6974
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:53 pm
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| UltiMario wrote: | | If somebody spams all at once, for example they post 4 spam threads in Feedback, they get severe punishment, regardless of member quality. Jailing for a week or two, perma-banning, etc. However, if somebody slowly spams, such as making a spam thread in Media, then in a week one in Feedback, then in a few days one in General Discussion, waits a month, and then repeats a similar process, they'll likely get jailed for about an hour and that's all. |
This is intentional. If someone goofs up a few times here and there, the threat to the site is not a high as if someone is going on a rampage. So they should not be treated the same. Does that mean you can game the system and get away with posting spam? Yes, but eventually it would catch up with you. |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire

Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:56 pm
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| Francis wrote: | | UltiMario wrote: | | If somebody spams all at once, for example they post 4 spam threads in Feedback, they get severe punishment, regardless of member quality. Jailing for a week or two, perma-banning, etc. However, if somebody slowly spams, such as making a spam thread in Media, then in a week one in Feedback, then in a few days one in General Discussion, waits a month, and then repeats a similar process, they'll likely get jailed for about an hour and that's all. |
This is intentional. If someone goofs up a few times here and there, the threat to the site is not a high as if someone is going on a rampage. So they should not be treated the same. Does that mean you can game the system and get away with posting spam? Yes, but eventually it would catch up with you. |
I agree with that system but my problem is I've Spammed all at once at times. And Ive had no moderator Intervention. At All Past an Idle Threat |
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Burn them out rawrskey Benned Vampire

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 14262
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:57 pm
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| Francis wrote: | | UltiMario wrote: | | If somebody spams all at once, for example they post 4 spam threads in Feedback, they get severe punishment, regardless of member quality. Jailing for a week or two, perma-banning, etc. However, if somebody slowly spams, such as making a spam thread in Media, then in a week one in Feedback, then in a few days one in General Discussion, waits a month, and then repeats a similar process, they'll likely get jailed for about an hour and that's all. |
This is intentional. If someone goofs up a few times here and there, the threat to the site is not a high as if someone is going on a rampage. So they should not be treated the same. Does that mean you can game the system and get away with posting spam? Yes, but eventually it would catch up with you. |
At the same time, however, little bits of spam here and there don't cause NEAR teh damage of a giant rampage. |
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See? Popple
Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 14001
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:49 pm
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| rawrskey wrote: | Popple certainly had his moments where he was a great mod... but he's in another place completely.
When he doesn't get what he wants, he spams and causes his own brand of drama... this.
Sorry Popple, just making observations. |
You have to admit though, shit only goes down when I get pissed off like this. |
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