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Was the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan justified? |
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Something to deliver Screamy
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 112
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:04 pm
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I am of course referring to the Uranium and Plutonium nuclear fission bombs we dropped on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, respectively. I'm interested to hear your opinions. |
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Negi-chama Super Tsuki Vampire
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:05 pm
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wait wtf I thought America and Japan were buddies now. D: |
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Something to deliver Screamy
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:08 pm
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We are... |
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Negi-chama Super Tsuki Vampire
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:10 pm
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THEN WHY WHY AMERICA WHY |
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The Axolotl Sympathist Geno Werewolf
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:11 pm
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You know my opinion. And no way in hell am I going to write any more about this topic than I have to for *crag* English class. |
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Something to deliver Screamy
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:14 pm
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Tsuki wrote: | THEN WHY WHY AMERICA WHY |
Do you not realize this was over 60 years ago. The only reason why I brought it up was because we're talking about it in English and I'm interested to hear your opinion. Actually, I don't know your opinion, but I know you know mine. I'll wait until I hear what the majority say then depending on that I'll just post the opposite and argue that point just for fun. |
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Bartz Klauser BAMFing ARCHER Werewolf
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:41 pm
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It was not very well-thought-out, however. And also inhumanely cruel. Which will lead me to my points about US exceptionalism, but that's not entirely relate to this topic.
However, usage of two nuclear bombs on civillian areas is actually pretty immoral, in my eyes. Maybe not at the time, since they associated all Japanese, even the innocents, with what they thought they were.
However, it still wasn't justified, since it wasn't used as a deterrent, since Japan didn't plan on using three nukes on major cities, either. Nor is it a justified because of the long-lasting effects of radiation. I would awaken the inner LD-er in my, and pump my words full of evidence, but I have too much work to do. |
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PEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Cherry Vampire
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:31 pm
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I would be so bold as to say a little more thought could have gone into it. You know, the radiation, the pointless death... yeah, could have been a little better planned out. |
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Black Yoshi Vampire
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:39 pm
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Honestly, I think the bomb was well-justified.
When you look at the reasons they decided to drop it in the first place, you will see what I mean. The Japanese were far too proud of a country to surrender to conventional means. The bomb was the only way from the Japanese people to justify their surrender. If we had invaded Japan itself, both sides would have lost a far greater number of people, close to a million US soldiers, and almost all of the Japanese population. They were planning on fighting to the death, every man, woman, and child.
But that's just how I see it. |
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vdogam3r kEvin
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:55 pm
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I THINK:
After the bombing, Tokyo should have come up with the "TOKYOBOB-OMB"
*crag* yeah. Oshi, no, America should. I don't wanna die <:U |
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~A color is just a color~ Frozenwinters
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:57 pm
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I think it was justified. I mean it did stop the Japanese from doing what they were.
Well except now they praise the people that almost destroyed their culture which is kinda disturbing. :< |
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RaveRaze Mana7 Dead
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:04 pm
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It was *crag* justified, cause were in a *crag* war. Its not like a countries population is its drummer boy, No thats where you attack. In a fight do you punch em in the arm or knee them in the stomach. If they didn't wanna get bombed then they shouldn't have gone to war. Also Americas being too much of a pussy right now. It should have bombed the shit out of the Taliban instead of just trying to hunt them down. Because were too big of pansies to do shit, there reforming somewhere in Asia and we got no *crag* clue what theyll do next. Although the recent terrorist attacks in Africa are similar to Taliban acts they were too dispersed to be performed by one organization meaning that previous Taliban leaders could have formed their own new terrorist groups by using the Muslim Militias in countries such as Somalia. Meaning we have more personal threats than we had before we went to war |
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Something to deliver Screamy
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:51 pm
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RaveRaze wrote: | It was *crag* justified, cause were in a *crag* war. Its not like a countries population is its drummer boy, No thats where you attack. In a fight do you punch em in the arm or knee them in the stomach. If they didn't wanna get bombed then they shouldn't have gone to war. Also Americas being too much of a pussy right now. It should have bombed the shit out of the Taliban instead of just trying to hunt them down. Because were too big of pansies to do shit, there reforming somewhere in Asia and we got no *crag* clue what theyll do next. Although the recent terrorist attacks in Africa are similar to Taliban acts they were too dispersed to be performed by one organization meaning that previous Taliban leaders could have formed their own new terrorist groups by using the Muslim Militias in countries such as Somalia. Meaning we have more personal threats than we had before we went to war |
First off we dropped the bomb on a damn CIVILIAN target. Countless innocent women and children died. It's probably better that we dropped the bomb, but we should've used it on a military target, and we didn't need to use two. Yeah let's bomb Afghanistan and kill innocent lives just so we can hit a few terrorists along the way. Do you even realize what you're saying? |
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Bartz Klauser BAMFing ARCHER Werewolf
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:56 pm
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RaveRaze wrote: | It was *crag* justified, cause were in a *crag* war. Its not like a countries population is its drummer boy, No thats where you attack. In a fight do you punch em in the arm or knee them in the stomach. If they didn't wanna get bombed then they shouldn't have gone to war. Also Americas being too much of a pussy right now. It should have bombed the shit out of the Taliban instead of just trying to hunt them down. Because were too big of pansies to do shit, there reforming somewhere in Asia and we got no *crag* clue what theyll do next. Although the recent terrorist attacks in Africa are similar to Taliban acts they were too dispersed to be performed by one organization meaning that previous Taliban leaders could have formed their own new terrorist groups by using the Muslim Militias in countries such as Somalia. Meaning we have more personal threats than we had before we went to war | The first part makes some sense, but I think your inner CSer emerged on the second half.
However, think about it, non-violence can achieve far better results. Maybe the Japanese were kinda extreme, but it was also a bad idea on the US side. The thing is, those nuclear bombs were dropped over civilian areas, which is not entirely justified, since even if the leaders agree with it, not every single person in the country would. And besides, I personally think the US should have forced an ultimatum on them: They continue, they get the A-bombs. Wouldn't that have prevented the loss of life, and unnecessary radiation?
People that release nuclear bombs are either one of three things in my book.
1) They can stand to have it fired at themselves. 2) They're extremely foolish 3) They're excessively desperate, but there still are other ways to achieve that goal.
Really, though, I doubt anyone would be fulfilling number 1, since, if I'm right(correct me otherwise), Japan lacked any nuclear weapons.
But, really, I think the US should have forced an ultimatum, and even if the US was going to launch an attack, it should have been with a large amount of regular missiles. |
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Something to deliver Screamy
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:04 pm
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Laharl wrote: | RaveRaze wrote: | It was *crag* justified, cause were in a *crag* war. Its not like a countries population is its drummer boy, No thats where you attack. In a fight do you punch em in the arm or knee them in the stomach. If they didn't wanna get bombed then they shouldn't have gone to war. Also Americas being too much of a pussy right now. It should have bombed the shit out of the Taliban instead of just trying to hunt them down. Because were too big of pansies to do shit, there reforming somewhere in Asia and we got no *crag* clue what theyll do next. Although the recent terrorist attacks in Africa are similar to Taliban acts they were too dispersed to be performed by one organization meaning that previous Taliban leaders could have formed their own new terrorist groups by using the Muslim Militias in countries such as Somalia. Meaning we have more personal threats than we had before we went to war | The first part makes some sense, but I think your inner CSer emerged on the second half.
However, think about it, non-violence can achieve far better results. Maybe the Japanese were kinda extreme, but it was also a bad idea on the US side. The thing is, those nuclear bombs were dropped over civilian areas, which is not entirely justified, since even if the leaders agree with it, not every single person in the country would. And besides, I personally think the US should have forced an ultimatum on them: They continue, they get the A-bombs. Wouldn't that have prevented the loss of life, and unnecessary radiation?
People that release nuclear bombs are either one of three things in my book.
1) They can stand to have it fired at themselves. 2) They're extremely foolish 3) They're excessively desperate, but there still are other ways to achieve that goal.
Really, though, I doubt anyone would be fulfilling number 1, since, if I'm right(correct me otherwise), Japan lacked any nuclear weapons.
But, really, I think the US should have forced an ultimatum, and even if the US was going to launch an attack, it should have been with a large amount of regular missiles. |
Well happened was we asked them to surrender first unconditional surrender, and they had to give up their Emperor, since they believe they Emperor is a living god they said no. The Emperor meant a lot to them and there were many people that would die for him. Then we had the A-bombs and were planning to drop them, but before we did we asked them to surrender, but we said they could keep their Emperor, they still said no. It's not an ultimatum but we did ask them to surrender twice. Does that justify a nuclear attack on two civilian areas? No, but it clears the situation up a bit. Also, nope Japan didn't have nukes, we were the only country at the time, but we had help from Britain in developing the bombs. |
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