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Fat Tuper
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| Lord Crump wrote: | | Clinton? She'd push the country so close to communism that you'd hear Marx cheering from his grave. D : |
That's not true at all. That's just plain biased, right there. |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:46 pm
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Communism isn't a bad thing...right? I'm not very knowledgeable on that sort of thing. That being said, I'd pick Obama. Why? I'd rather not have another four years by a Bush (clone). |
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Lord Bob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:52 pm
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| Hei, the Black ERROR wrote: | | Communism isn't a bad thing...right? I'm not very knowledgeable on that sort of thing. That being said, I'd pick Obama. Why? I'd rather not have another four years by a Bush (clone). |
Communism is when there is little faith in the people so the government controls most of the business. There's usually little faith in the people because the government thinks the people are uneducated. Yeah.
As for me, I don't pay much attention to politics, really. Just an unneeded nuisance that I shouldn't have to worry about yet. |
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Fat Tuper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:23 pm
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| Hei, the Black ERROR wrote: | | Communism isn't a bad thing...right? I'm not very knowledgeable on that sort of thing. That being said, I'd pick Obama. Why? I'd rather not have another four years by a Bush (clone). |
It's WAY too long to explain right now, because my mom wants me to get off the computer, (someone else might explain it, though.) Basically, it's a good idea, but it never works right. |
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YoshiAngemon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:27 am
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I think Obama oughta be a good president, BETTER than Bush Jr! I mean, the decision would've been no different with Hillary Clinton. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:36 am
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| Pokémoneinstein wrote: | | Lord Crump wrote: | | Clinton? She'd push the country so close to communism that you'd hear Marx cheering from his grave. D : |
That's not true at all. That's just plain biased, right there. |
Of course it's true. If not communism, she'll move this country to socialism, which is basically communism lite. Anyway, prove to me that she isn't socialist.
| Quote: | | It's WAY too long to explain right now, because my mom wants me to get off the computer, (someone else might explain it, though.) Basically, it's a good idea, but it never works right. |
No, it's a bad idea that never works right. It doesn't acknowledge human nature, and instead of celebrating individualism, it makes society work as an individual- everyone part of a single unit for efficiency (Of course, it can't be efficient anyway because of human nature- which turns anarchial communism in to Soviet communism)- which isn't a good thing at all. It also focuses purely on wants rather than needs, which I think is silly, and there wouldn't be much glorious variety or competition under communism. You wouldn't be able to rise through the ranks of a business or achieve true financial success. The arts and entertainment would suffer, as there would be no competitive motive which produces all the great videogames and movies (Not to mention that people would be more concerned in putting their money in to their absolute needs, and wants will always be thought less of.) Life would be boring in communism. |
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Fat Tuper
lovegod703
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:18 am
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| Lord Crump wrote: | | Pokémoneinstein wrote: | | Lord Crump wrote: | | Clinton? She'd push the country so close to communism that you'd hear Marx cheering from his grave. D : |
That's not true at all. That's just plain biased, right there. |
Of course it's true. If not communism, she'll move this country to socialism, which is basically communism lite. Anyway, prove to me that she isn't socialist.
| Quote: | | It's WAY too long to explain right now, because my mom wants me to get off the computer, (someone else might explain it, though.) Basically, it's a good idea, but it never works right. |
No, it's a bad idea that never works right. It doesn't acknowledge human nature, and instead of celebrating individualism, it makes society work as an individual- everyone part of a single unit for efficiency (Of course, it can't be efficient anyway because of human nature- which turns anarchial communism in to Soviet communism)- which isn't a good thing at all. It also focuses purely on wants rather than needs, which I think is silly, and there wouldn't be much glorious variety or competition under communism. You wouldn't be able to rise through the ranks of a business or achieve true financial success. The arts and entertainment would suffer, as there would be no competitive motive which produces all the great videogames and movies (Not to mention that people would be more concerned in putting their money in to their absolute needs, and wants will always be thought less of.) Life would be boring in communism. |
She's not socialist BECAUSE she's a democrat. She has almost the EXACT same views as Obama.
Also, That's not at all what Communism is. It's (I don't remember quite fully, but...) It's when someone is appointed to total power in times of a major crisis, And then the people that appointed them can choose when it's safe to bring them down. (There's a lot more, but I don't remember it) (We learned it in school, and it was in 6th grade, so I don't remember much, and they could have been lying)
And I'm stopping here, because I don't want to flood this topic with our argument, and I find it just plain silly. I also don't want this to turn into a flame war or item war or something. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:37 am
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| Pokémoneinstein wrote: |
She's not socialist BECAUSE she's a democrat. She has almost the EXACT same views as Obama. |
Just because she's a democrat? There are far more socialist democrats than socialist republicans. That's one of the things I do like about the right- they know that capitalism works, and is a wonderful system. The democrats, not so much.
But both parties suck, in the end.
| Quote: | | Also, That's not at all what Communism is. It's (I don't remember quite fully, but...) It's when someone is appointed to total power in times of a major crisis, And then the people that appointed them can choose when it's safe to bring them down. (There's a lot more, but I don't remember it) (We learned it in school, and it was in 6th grade, so I don't remember much, and they could have been lying) |
As you admitted, you don't remember much about communism, and you can't expect a 6th grade definition of communism to be very accurate.
That's an extremely simple definition, because it only describes the government side of communism, where most of the time they are in an anarchial state.
The economic and social aspects of communism (The most important aspects) are what I mentioned in my previous paragraph. So, indeed, communism is what I was talking about. It is where wealth is equally divided in a society that focuses on needs and not wants- where there is no business competition at all. Where life is boring.
| Quote: | | And I'm stopping here, because I don't want to flood this topic with our argument, and I find it just plain silly. I also don't want this to turn into a flame war or item war or something. |
This isn't going to become a flame war or item war because this is a mature, intelligent debate, which is related (Although loosely) to the original subject matter (Which you can expect to find in threads on serious issues.)
But, if you don't want to continue this debate, that's fine. Just remember to expect one if you're posting your opinions in a serious thread. If threads about religion, politics or whatever didn't have debates, they would be pointless. |
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Paper Peach
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:19 pm
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Obama is an amazing speaker and has alot of charisma, but despise that, I don't think he's that safe.
My opinion is sort of one sided, since the media down't say much about McCain, but I do know that I'd rather have him than Obama.
i don't know where he learns his economics from, but a lot of his steps to help us are quite stupid. For instance, he says he'll tax the gas companies of their profits to give a check to every American family. A gas company makes only a few cents off a gallon of gas. Further more, guess where that money is coming from? Our stocks. So he's taking money from us and giving it back. Does that make much since?
Too lazy to type more D: |
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Fat Tuper
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:26 pm
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I also think that McCain's VP choice is VERY risky. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:52 pm
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| Pokémoneinstein wrote: | | I also think that McCain's VP choice is VERY risky. |
Why is that?
I've seen people say similar things around here, but without reasons. What's wrong with her? I'd like to know- as, from what I know, she has a high approval rating, and is well-liked among other republicans.
Also, aren't risky moves the glory of politics and competition? |
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Ocelot
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:00 pm
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I don't pay attention to politics at all, really. I think the Democratic and Republican parties are pointless, as they really just divide us as a nation from the inside. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:46 pm
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I just saw McCain's running mate's speech. Based on her presentation, she appeared to have the charisma that Obama has, but with a much more realistic view of how to make the next four-eight years work for America.
Potential first female VP versus the potential first black president. This is a historic race. |
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THE BIRTHDAY GIRL
King Harkinian
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:09 pm
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| Lord Crump wrote: | I just saw McCain's running mate's speech. Based on her presentation, she appeared to have the charisma that Obama has, but with a much more realistic view of how to make the next four-eight years work for America.
Potential first female VP versus the potential first black president. This is a historic race. |
This man (or X-Naut, I should say) speaks the twuth! |
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Poison
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:20 pm
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| Lord Crump wrote: | I just saw McCain's running mate's speech. Based on her presentation, she appeared to have the charisma that Obama has, but with a much more realistic view of how to make the next four-eight years work for America.
Potential first female VP versus the potential first black president. This is a historic race. |
Yeah, She is quite amazing. Making the race interesting again. |
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