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Flavio
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| Bartz Klauser wrote: | | Sync wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | Sync wrote: | Here Tyler, i'll give you a good argument. You just lit me up, and i'm going for it now. :C
It may not be a port naturally, but it's a port by heart. It's basically the same thing, just butchered around and shit. |
Going by that logic, entire series are ports of the first game, simply because they're "ports at heart". Is this the case? No. |
I don't see what you're aiming at.
Sequels are usually completely different. This one looks like LBP with some major changes. |
A lot of sequels actually feature the same gameplay. Seriously. Just a few new items in the formula and a new story is what makes them different. Look at Final Fantasy I and II, Most Onimusha games, Resident Evil, Secret of Mana and it's sequel, Disgaea and Disgaea 2, KOTOR and KOTOR II. Now, really. Those don't really have different gameplay elements. They have differences only in story, and a few new items in the mix. |
Resident Evil games got new gameplay shit as the series advanced. And how the *crag* can you compare FFI and FFII? The gameplay mechanics were completely different. |
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LIL BLUE VS. BIG BLUE
Crappy Blue Luigi
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| Bartz Klauser wrote: | | Secret of Mana and it's sequel |
Seiken Densetsu 3 changed around the fighting system quite a bit, and introduced a ton of new and different features.
I really can't see how you can compare the two. It's like comparing Final Fantasy 1 and Final Fantasy 2.
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Lord Bob
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:07 am
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| Crappy Blue Luigi wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | Secret of Mana and it's sequel |
Seiken Densetsu 3 changed around the fighting system quite a bit, and introduced a ton of new and different features.
I really can't see how you can compare the two. It's like comparing Final Fantasy 1 and Final Fantasy 2.
Oh wait, you did that, too. |
And SoM is a little ways different from FFA in terms of the magic system. The combat system was also improved, but magic is the most drastic change.
And there were less robot chocobos. |
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Take Mario games, for example.
You're saying New Super Mario Bros. is a port of the original. |
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hai
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The entire point of a port is to get a game that works on one system to work on another system without drastically altering the game itself. This ranges from just edits to flat out rebuilding it.
That's exactly what LBPSP here is doing.
Plus, what kind of sequel is named after the first one word for word, has little indication of actually being a sequel AND works exceedingly similar to the first?
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Larry Koopa
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I'm totally buying this when it comes out. |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:43 pm
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| Spiny wrote: | The entire point of a port is to get a game that works on one system to work on another system without drastically altering the game itself. This ranges from just edits to flat out rebuilding it.
That's exactly what LBPSP here is doing.
Plus, what kind of sequel is named after the first one word for word, has little indication of actually being a sequel AND works exceedingly similar to the first? |
its name isn't even confirmed yet dumbass :|
it's in EARLY DEVELOPMENT STAGES.
Please stop being stupid about this. |
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hai
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:14 pm
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| Tyler wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | The entire point of a port is to get a game that works on one system to work on another system without drastically altering the game itself. This ranges from just edits to flat out rebuilding it.
That's exactly what LBPSP here is doing.
Plus, what kind of sequel is named after the first one word for word, has little indication of actually being a sequel AND works exceedingly similar to the first? |
its name isn't even confirmed yet dumbass :|
it's in EARLY DEVELOPMENT STAGES.
Please stop being stupid about this. |
Please stop using reversable logic if you're gonna counter something |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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So New Super Mario Bros is a port?
If you knew anything about ports you'd know they're NOT BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, like this game is. |
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hai
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:01 pm
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| Tyler wrote: | So New Super Mario Bros is a port?
If you knew anything about ports you'd know they're NOT BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, like this game is. |
Then how would it interact with the original LBP, retain similar elements and be PSP friendly if it wasnt? |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:05 pm
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| SUPER BLUE LUIGI 64-BIT wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | | Secret of Mana and it's sequel |
Seiken Densetsu 3 changed around the fighting system quite a bit, and introduced a ton of new and different features.
I really can't see how you can compare the two. It's like comparing Final Fantasy 1 and Final Fantasy 2.
Oh wait, you did that, too. |
There's the part about the new items in the mix, you know.
I feel like an idiot right now. Sorry. The fighting system was kinda similar, actually, with the ring system, and the ATB. The only real gameplay change were seeds, the day/night and week system, and the job change thing, if I'm missing anything.
And *crag*, did I compare FFI and FFII? I feel like an idiot right now. But yeah, you guys are right. But what I'm trying to point out is that the core gameplay mechanics remain the same throughout sequels. Final Fantasy retained it's turn-based battles, and it's monolithic storyline aspects, Seiken Densetsu 3 retained the battle system with some changes, Disgaea kept the battle system with a few changes, KOTOR kept the battle system, changed the equipment upgrade system and etc. You guys see my point, right? Of course there are gonna be new elements, that's why I talked about new items being thrown in there. No one wants the same game with a new storyline and a different title.
So are we gonna get back to the topic now? |
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Bremmy
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| Spiny wrote: | | Tyler wrote: | So New Super Mario Bros is a port?
If you knew anything about ports you'd know they're NOT BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, like this game is. |
interact with the original LBP -PSP to PS3 interactivity is relatively simple to to (See Resistance series)
retain similar elements - A sequel does not have to have 100% new content to be called a sequel
PSP friendly -I'd imagine if it's being built from the ground up FOR PSP, it would be PSP friendly.
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Sync
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| Shrowser wrote: | Take Mario games, for example.
You're saying New Super Mario Bros. is a port of the original. |
How? NSMB is in no way even slightly similar to the original besides the platforming elements, 2 of the items and the whole flagpole system. |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:01 pm
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| Spiny wrote: | | Tyler wrote: | So New Super Mario Bros is a port?
If you knew anything about ports you'd know they're NOT BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, like this game is. |
Then how would it interact with the original LBP, retain similar elements and be PSP friendly if it wasnt? |
games like pokemon blue interacted with pokemon stadium. they don't have to be ports to interact 
And who gives a shit if it's a similiar game? It's most likely going to contain new gameplay elements; even then, who gives a shit? Portable LittleBigPlanet! |
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