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Francine
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 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:56 pm
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I feel like yelling at people.
What's your stance on euthanization and abortion? I say let euthanasia become legal and keep abortion legal. If someone, such as a terminal cancer patient, wishes to quicken their inevitable death, so be it. Fufill their wishes.
For abortion, it's the mother's body, and it's her choice whether to alter it with a pregnancy or not. Besides, unwanted children can be brought up wrongly and can be neglected. Also, placing them in adoption centers would also alter their quality of life.
Again, what's your opinion on these issues? |
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Super Cyber Mario
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:03 pm
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i feel the same way, its the mothers choice, same with cancer patients.
but people in comas or something where they are not in the state of mind to be able to make a rational desicion by themselves, why should someone else pull the plug. so im not sure on the people-in-a-coma-can-die-because-the-people-in-chrge-are-allowed-to-pull-the-plug issue but otherwise i agree |
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Francine
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:06 pm
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Some people say that they want to be euthanized when they go into a coma or a vegatative state. But when there's none, I'd still say that it would be fine for the person who has control over medical decisions like that to say for the person to be killed. |
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Elite Nerr
Francis
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:20 pm
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| Francine wrote: | | For abortion, it's the mother's body, and it's her choice whether to alter it with a pregnancy or not. Besides, unwanted children can be brought up wrongly and can be neglected. Also, placing them in adoption centers would also alter their quality of life. |
The baby's body is not the mother's body, so shouldnt he or she have some kind of representation? Of course there are exceptions (*cragged*, mother's risk of death, etc) but there are many more abortions than necessary. Many "unwanted" children are wanted as soon as they are born, and even orphaned children are glad to be alive.
Isn't it kind of rediculous that the mother can do whatever she wants to the child while it is in the womb, but if anything happens once the baby leaves we all cry murder and gasp at how horrible a person she is! |
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Kefka
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:20 pm
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| Francine wrote: | | Besides, unwanted children can be brought up wrongly and can be neglected. Also, placing them in adoption centers would also alter their quality of life. |
This is the single pro-abortion argument that pisses me off the most. Neglect or being brought up wrongly are far preferable to not living at all. I honestly don't see how there can be any debate on that. And adoption centers would affect their quality of life? That's straight up bullshit. |
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Super Cyber Mario
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:25 pm
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i think that all people should write ills early or mini wills or something so people know. like, i would write a "mini will" that said
if i am in a vegitative state for longer than a year pull the plug," or something |
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Simsmagic
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:14 pm
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I aggre with the whole mercy killing thing, that if a patient who is in a lot of pain and is going to die anyways, then pull the plug, or if someone is in a vegetable state for an explicit amount of time, pull the plug.
My stands on abortion however, is that it should only be legal if she was impregnated by *crag*, or if the birth will put the mother in some kind of danger. |
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Para
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:47 pm
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Ehh...I'm neutral on either. I guess you could say I'm for both. Just not actively. |
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Medikoopa
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:28 am
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I don't know what to say about either, really.
On one hand, mercy killing... if the person really wanted it... And with abortion, I guess its okay when the mother was *cragged* or something like that...
But on the other, snuffing out the life of another person - unborn or not - is just wrong.
I'm not sorry for being indecisive, but that's just how I feel about this - torn between pity and sympathy or abhorrence of the idea.
Just to make a side note on the subject of abortion, if an infant was not planned (as in the parents did not intend to have her/him at that time), or if a woman was inseminated against her will, they could put the child up for adoption... |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:01 am
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I think that no human, no, no living being has the right to judge about other beings lives, ways of life, and importance of that life. I do not think that a mother should be allowed to kill unborn life, whether it is conscious or not. But I do have to agree with letting her the choice when she was *cragged* or could die at the birth.
As a christian, there's still the limbo theory for me ... >__> |
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Super Cyber Mario
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:31 am
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im really for the choice of the mother in abortion |
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Medikoopa
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:44 am
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| Zelnor wrote: | I think that no human, no, no living being has the right to judge about other beings lives, ways of life, and importance of that life. I do not think that a mother should be allowed to kill unborn life, whether it is conscious or not. But I do have to agree with letting her the choice when she was *cragged* or could die at the birth.
As a christian, there's still the limbo theory for me ... >__> |
If I remember correctly, the Roman Catholic Church got 'limbo' out of their beliefs... |
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Francine
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:26 pm
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Children in foster care bounce from home to home, sometimes staying in it until they're of legal age. Since their only permanent guardian was the adoption agency (which really doesn't give them shit for college and such), they often have a lower quality of life, having to settle for jobs that require no college education since they don't have anyone to pay for it. |
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oar
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:34 pm
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Yes to Coup de Grace. Not really sure about Abortion though. |
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Mandew
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:55 pm
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| Francine wrote: | | Children in foster care bounce from home to home, sometimes staying in it until they're of legal age. Since their only permanent guardian was the adoption agency (which really doesn't give them shit for college and such), they often have a lower quality of life, having to settle for jobs that require no college education since they don't have anyone to pay for it. |
But yet, that could happen even if the baby was wanted right at the start to the birth. People have minds, that change often.
I'd prefer let the abortion decision to the discretion of the mother. However it should be considered that the baby will have his own life. A life that changes the world around it. Every lives has an impact on the other. That's simply called life in society.
Now to get on the other topic...
Euthanasia, or merciful kill. The person in terminal phase of cancer has a tiny change of recovoring, to tell the thruth. If not, the person will die... even painfully or not. In fact, the person's slow, painful or fast death affects the people around that person, too. Sure, euthaniasia has finiancial advantages to it, too, but so does the opposite. To tell you the truth, I can't side on that one.
What I must say is, like Medikoopa said, that steal the life out of somebody else is wrong... or is it? |
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