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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:37 am   Reply with quote

I agree with the whole topic pretty much. It's not something that would make me hate you at all; in fact, I respect you for being able to come to terms with yourself.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:32 am   Reply with quote

Excuse me for being probably the biggest jerk in existence, but why do you think you are a woman in a guys body ? Reincarnation ?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:51 pm   Reply with quote

I'm fine with it with you. I was fine with it with Chaos Dimentio.
I'll be fine with it if Guest says it too.
...I'm changing back to Maya instead of diego now.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:06 pm   Reply with quote

You don't have to feel bad about this kind of thing.

I don't care if my friends are gay or bi or a woman trapped in a man's body. It's who they are and how they feel about. No one here will think of you as a freak for saying this. It's just people who aren't your friends are the ones you should be worried about, not us. So just relax about it here, we're digibutter and we don't give a damns worth on what sexuality the members are or who are women trapped in men's bodies.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:21 pm   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
Excuse me for being probably the biggest jerk in existence, but why do you think you are a woman in a guys body ? Reincarnation ?


I firmly believe in the "there are no stupid questions".

Its... hard to explain.... And even harder to answer "Why do you think"

Now... I don't know the exact reason Why I am this way.... Its just who... I am....

It has nothing to do with Reincarnation, but to ease getting my point across I will use it as an example... A more Religious view of it.

for all intensive purposes Lets say everyone has a soul. And that Each soul has a set gender...For simplicity, Imagine that every once in awhile a male Soul will go to a female body, and a female soul will go to a male body.

Thats kinda how I feel, Like a female soul trapped in a male body. In the most simplistic explanation of it.

Now other factors come into play, social factors, Medical ,preference, and development during childhood. think of it as defining traits of your mind.

People are different no matter how you slice it. And how I feel.... about who I am...Physically to Mentally, It doesn't add up.... I just don't feel right....

Being male is killing me.... maybe its my fault its like that... maybe it isn't. all I know is..... Its not right..... I don't feel right..... And I know Im unhappy with my gender... Its not an occasional thing. even if I would like to write it off as that sometimes...

Let me finish by saying I Did not choose to be the way I am.... Its a path of pain, and up until very recently I was alone. Nobody wants to be hurt. alone and alienated for being them self.... ( god it sounds so emo but the pain is a huge part of it, its more than a little discomfort.)

I hope that helps you understand a bit better.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:34 pm   Reply with quote

...

I see.

Well, I won't judge you any differently than I did before, although I'll switch back to my current user theme, since it seems rude to keep it.

You're still human. That's all that matters.

You'll still be the O'Chunks that we all know and love, and no gender can change that.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:20 pm   Reply with quote

Well uh, I haven't been here that long, so I had no preset perceptions to begin with. So now I'm going to back out of this thread slowly.

If there's one thing I do know however, its that the pit of useless knowledge that I call my brain tells me that this isn't as uncommon as one might assume. Anyway, backing out slowly now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:46 am   Reply with quote

Well, I thought I was alone in this for the longest time. It's an unbelievably good feeling to find someone who you can connect with so strongly. Especially amidst the pain that O Chunks mentioned, which is very real... I've felt it; still do.

... I suppose I'd just like my outside to reflect what's inside. If I may attempt to put it simply.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:58 am   Reply with quote

If you say that a soul has a set gender and you were born into a body of the opposite one, for whatever reasons - how do oyu know ? What do oyu attribute to your soul, the very core of your being, that is distinctively female ? I don't want to stumble into sexist gender remarks, but in face of the danger - Do you think you're very delicate or emotional ? What is it that makes oyu think you are feminine in mind ? And how does that make you miserable, as I catch from your posts, with whom you are ? The body doesn't shape the mind more then the mind shaped the body. The body may press it into a certain role like a jelly mold the jelly, but... you're still you. Are you female in mind because of what attributes you see in yourself are not commonly associated with males and you can't mentally bridge the gap between what you are and what you feel you should be / what society "expects" of you ?

... Good Lord, I sound like my therapist. Still, I'm being serious here. Maybe we can "help" you. I don't mean to attribute something negative to your "condition", that's why I put it all into quotation marks, and I don't want you to think I want you to interpret the negative meanings of the words, but I simply have no other term.
But maybe we can help you to accept it as it is.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:08 am   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
If you say that a soul has a set gender and you were born into a body of the opposite one, for whatever reasons - how do oyu know ? What do oyu attribute to your soul, the very core of your being, that is distinctively female ? I don't want to stumble into sexist gender remarks, but in face of the danger - Do you think you're very delicate or emotional ? What is it that makes oyu think you are feminine in mind ? And how does that make you miserable, as I catch from your posts, with whom you are ? The body doesn't shape the mind more then the mind shaped the body. The body may press it into a certain role like a jelly mold the jelly, but... you're still you. Are you female in mind because of what attributes you see in yourself are not commonly associated with males and you can't mentally bridge the gap between what you are and what you feel you should be / what society "expects" of you ?

... Good Lord, I sound like my therapist. Still, I'm being serious here. Maybe we can "help" you. I don't mean to attribute something negative to your "condition", that's why I put it all into quotation marks, and I don't want you to think I want you to interpret the negative meanings of the words, but I simply have no other term.
But maybe we can help you to accept it as it is.


*tries to see if I can explain this shorter* o_O

So, like, basically you [O'Chunks] just feel like an individual, not a female, but the traits that you would describe your individual self as would be described as female traits by society.

So like... example of thought process...
O'Chunks - I am an individual. I am a kind and sensitive person.
Society - Being kind and sensitive makes you girly.
O'Chunks - Then I must be a female, because society says my individual traits are female traits.

... does that make any more sense?

...

I've thought a few times that it might be easier for me to get a boyfriend if I were a gay male, because all the guys I end up liking are gay.
But then, over time... well, I've always been bi, but as time goes on I feel like I'm going closer and closer to the lesbian side of bi. :x

But that's about the worst I've ever experienced.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:52 pm   Reply with quote

I'm not doubting something is wrong with me.... maybe I am selfish but I believe every individual has a right to be happy...as who they are.


metaphorically ( sorry for the epic doses of emo here). I am trapped in a barbed cage, I see the outside world, I feel trapped and hurt... If I resist the cage, I get hurt, but if I do not resist the cage, I am unhappy. All things attribute to this. at this point in my life I am not living....

I respect your concern for me Zelnor, Its just.... Ive tried to accept it as it is... and it..... just causes more pain... The path of least resistance isn't always the path of happiness. Edit: By that I mean, its defiantly more convenient for me to be a "normal" Male... but at least putting up the farce that I am one is making me unhappy.

Jolene, That is only a part of it, one of the many factors I Know to attribute to how I am. I happen to take what people say about me to heart, I'm weak around criticisms. That being said, I have hidden my "feminine traits" before...
social expectations do play a role yes, but its not the only reason I am this way. thank you for trying to clarify though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:16 pm   Reply with quote

So let me wrap my head around this, and sorry in advance If I'm misconstruing the situation, my reading comprehension is sometimes below average. Err also I ended up not reading through the Dimentio thread because...well I was busy get off my back.

[psuedo intelligent psychological babble] Ok so now, you're saying within yourself you identify feminine traits? And you identify those with pieces of your inner most self, your purest consciousness and not just random slips of the mind? And that this would make you intrinsically a woman trapped in a man's body? [/psuedo intelligent psychological babble]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:05 am   Reply with quote

You know, it's something that's kept me awake, as I try to wrap my mind around it myself...

You know... is Sarah just another part of me that I invented? I have a vivid imagination... but then upon deep introspection, it feels right, it's who I am, and I don't want to be ashamed of it. But then, what constitutes being a female? Have I merely gathered my own collection of accumulated societal norms on what makes one gender or the other? Example, girls are supposed to be sensitive, girls are supposed to do this and that, etc...

Maybe there really is something wrong with me... but no matter how hard I try, I can't change how I feel.

That's... all I can think to say atm. At least for myself, personally.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:48 am   Reply with quote

Chaos Dimentio wrote:
You know, it's something that's kept me awake, as I try to wrap my mind around it myself...

You know... is Sarah just another part of me that I invented? I have a vivid imagination... but then upon deep introspection, it feels right, it's who I am, and I don't want to be ashamed of it. But then, what constitutes being a female? Have I merely gathered my own collection of accumulated societal norms on what makes one gender or the other? Example, girls are supposed to be sensitive, girls are supposed to do this and that, etc...

Maybe there really is something wrong with me... but no matter how hard I try, I can't change how I feel.

That's... all I can think to say atm. At least for myself, personally.


That thar is the million dollar question, err questions. As for if there is something wrong, well thats mind blowingly complicated. What is the difference between getting in touch with your feminine side, and being a woman trapped in a man's body? If they are the same thing then perhaps the latter is an excess of the former?

Even more so is that even the issue? Yours and O'Chunks' real problem may be something identity crisis or some advanced state of confusion. If this was the case that means there's also a significant chance that it is a phase, and you may grow out of it. That is if you really want to, or maybe even if you don't, I'm not too sure.

Then there's the whole issue of not physically being a woman. Without it, and without having been that way for all of your natural life, there isn't the genuine perspective of being a woman, or the psychological makeup, or parts thereof, which are affected by hormones and other chemicals specific to the female body. Although I'm not sure how critical that is. So now I'm pondering, even if you say it feels like this is who I am, can you ever really be a female? As opposed to a man with what he perceives as a feminine personality? or whatever the more apt word for it is? Yet now It really makes me wonder if thats even the case. And if you really just want to be what you speak of and female is just the most fitting description thus far?


Now I will shutup before I start to confuse myself and bring up a loosely related topic, and trying to lighten the mood a little. Warning, slightly off the cuff video game reference approaching


But this could work out, you guys could be sorta like Testament

I mean just look at him, perfectly comfortable in a tube top and a skirt and heeled boots. Yet has a big honking scythe and and a transforming raven thats always fixin ta give you an axe to the face. I mean you guys could theoretically dress like that everyday given time to become comfortable with yourselves and not even feel weird about it...although the scythe would probably be an issue. Plus you aren't GG fanboys so it doesn't really matter
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:09 am   Reply with quote

I want to be naturally female. But as it is an impossibility - and it's one more cold fact that pains me - I want to at least acquire some piece on the outside that can reflect how I feel on the inside. Even if I can't be perfect...

For some strange reason... maybe I'm somehow chemically imbalanced, I don't know... I don't like being in this body. You know that silly myth where if you breathe out and send all the seeds on a dandelion away from the stem in one blow, you get a wish granted? I remember doing that in elementary school and whispering, "I wish I was a girl." Just something that I still remember well...

So, why do I use the term female to define how I feel, who I am? Why do I feel uncomfortable physiologically being a male? Again, I cannot give a good answer... and I suppose that's the problem. For me, the feeling is expressed in something more than some select and succinct psych terms.
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