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Popple
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I thought I'd bring up the topic, considering several of the members here follow this line of thinking. And I only have one thing to say. You are as misinformed as those you call ignorant. You follow your own beliefs blindly. Either due to the fact that you consider other religions beliefs preposterous or you have just given up on religion all together. You are no different. God cannot be disproven, and this is fact. Let me explain. Can you prove God? Of course. If one day God reached down from the sky and made the strangest beast you have ever seen appear right in front of your eyes, there would be no doubt he existed. This has not happened, at least in modern times, but that does not mean it won't happen. On the other side of the coin, can you disprove God? Of course not. You can't say he won't reach down from the heaven's. You could never gather proof of that. God in most religions is not apart of our material world. He operates on a completely different plane of reality, and thus can never be disproven by any such means. This theory alone is enough to completely obliterate any chance of either being the 100% absolute truth at this point in time. Opinions? |
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Tails Doll
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:02 pm
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You said my mind. |
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Strawberry-san
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:15 pm
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... What? I'm completely open to the possibility that I could be wrong... |
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Popple
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:24 pm
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| Chaos Dimentio wrote: | | ... What? I'm completely open to the possibility that I could be wrong... |
That is usually defined as Agnostic. Though I'm not trying to say your beliefs are wrong of course, I've just done a good amount of digging into the subject. You see, I used to have a phobia of death. I've rid myself of it though, and gained a pretty good understanding of the world's religions. I even have a new theory I've been working on to explain God's ability to see the future, if he does exist. |
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Strawberry-san
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I suppose I am indeed Agnostic then. I'm just not blindly following my label. |
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Small Sammer Guy
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There has not been any scientific proof of God. I believe Jesus was attempting to attract attention so he could be famous, just like today.
Religion is just a human belief, or more commonly, a thought. It is not 100% true yet people believe it is.
Scientifically there are aliens, but God is just a human's character. I do not believe in God. |
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Popple
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:51 pm
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God for you, I'm glad you are passionate about your beliefs. I must ask though, what of other religions? Christianity is not the only one you know. Even then, God need not be apart of any syndicated religion. He is merely the idea of a creator. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:57 pm
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I have abondoned beliefs. For instance:
It is probable I am a soap bubble, for their senses may be completely inaccurate.
However, this is impractical logic, this is logic when logic is not restrained by more logical logic.
That is where practical logic comes from. Practical logic is before and after impractical. Alot of people do not reach the stage of impractical logic. And if you stay in impractical logic too long, you will go insane.
Practical logic is recognising patterns and reacting based upon your memory banks of natural patterns. That is why curiosity and fear of the unknown exists. Our foresight ability makes us anxietic. That anxiety motivates us to use our patterns to plan for the future based on what is likely to happen. Interruption of that planning gives us more anxiety than normal because we cannot plan ahead which our previous anxiety motivated us to do. The plan stifles anxiety, without determined patterns, we are not able to plan, which allows anxiety to swoop all over us. Their is infinite possibility, for our senses are the only link in the world, and they can be tampered with or hindered.
A good balance of logic is mostly practical with a hint of impractical.
How do you disprove nothing? With impractical logic you can't. God is an outdated hypothesis for stuff we could not explain before. With practical logic, you could disprove god because their is no evidence of him. However, it is possible to not leave evidence, so therefore, it is impossible to disprove him.
So what to believe? According to the patterns I have gained, there is no god. But there is still that possibility. That is the perfect balance of logic. |
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Small Sammer Guy
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| Popple wrote: | | God for you, I'm glad you are passionate about your beliefs. I must ask though, what of other religions? Christianity is not the only one you know. Even then, God need not be apart of any syndicated religion. He is merely the idea of a creator. |
Judaism and Islam all starts or the ideas originate from Christianity. People believed there was a creator of the world, God. This is scientifically untrue according to the Big Bang theory. People like Muhammad just wanted to become holy like Jesus so they poisoned people's mind into believing there is god.
Religions like Hinduism or Buddaism are another belief with more details and characters added to the religion. Otherwise they would be classified as the same beliefs.
According to the bible, which I read, you pray to god and he will answer to your prayers, it was unsuccessful and after that I stop reading the bible. It is just a belief or there is a possibility that Jesus or the apostle just wanted attention.
The reason why there are many believers or followers today is because they either are afraid of hell or they believed Jesus strongly. I am classified as neither. |
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Arson
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| Popple wrote: | | God for you, |
I lol'd.
On topic: I'm Athiest, but I don't think Christianity is stupid. I'm just not religious. |
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Popple
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I don't think God is an outdated theory. In fact I think it still has some ground. To think that the Big Bang occurred and that every single creature, especially humans, were all created by mere chance? Unacceptable. If you factor it into probability, the chance of humans being created by chance is laughable. At least in some respects. I don't necessarily believe in what syndicated religions do about the after life, prophets, and etc. I do though think there is a good chance that an unseen hand had something to do with the creation of life. And just like any theory, both God and the Big Bang are theories. They are not fact. |
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carfilledwithfish
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I'm an atheist.
But even if God does exist, and even if I did believe in him, I wouldn't be able to go to heaven. I'm a bastard, and if I remember correctly that means that I and the next 10 generations of my family are doomed to go to hell.
| Popple wrote: | | And just like any theory, both God and the Big Bang are theories. They are not fact. |
A theory, in the scientific sense, is a description of facts that have already been proven. Gravity is a theory.
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Popple
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| carfilledwithfish wrote: | I'm an atheist.
But even if God does exist, and even if I did believe in him, I wouldn't be able to go to heaven. I'm a bastard, and if I remember correctly that means that I and the next 10 generations of my family are doomed to go to hell. |
Actually the Lutheran church established by Martian Luther, the man who started the Protestant Reformation, believed that faith alone was enough to save. I've actually located a very startling account of a near death experience that matched my beliefs at the time almost completely. It was that of an atheist who was sent to the hospital. While he was in a coma he supposedly had a near death experience where he was being torn apart by shadowy figures, but in the end was saved because he heard a voice that told him that faith could save him. It goes on from there, but I found it very interesting. I of course though, hold no beliefs presently. |
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Small Sammer Guy
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| Popple wrote: | | I don't think God is an outdated theory. In fact I think it still has some ground. To think that the Big Bang occurred and that every single creature, especially humans, were all created by mere chance? Unacceptable. If you factor it into probability, the chance of humans being created by chance is laughable. At least in some respects. I don't necessarily believe in what syndicated religions do about the after life, prophets, and etc. I do though think there is a good chance that an unseen hand had something to do with the creation of life. And just like any theory, both God and the Big Bang are theories. They are not fact. |
True but scientists still have no clues on what really happened when the world was created. It is near impossible to find the answers on who actually created the world.
Religion is so different it is actually a bit funny, it is similar to how the Santa Claus story was born, Jesus just came out of nowhere and told his beliefs. That very belief was spreaded. |
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| Small Sammer Guy wrote: | | Popple wrote: | | God for you, I'm glad you are passionate about your beliefs. I must ask though, what of other religions? Christianity is not the only one you know. Even then, God need not be apart of any syndicated religion. He is merely the idea of a creator. |
Judaism and Islam all starts or the ideas originate from Christianity. People believed there was a creator of the world, God. This is scientifically untrue according to the Big Bang theory. People like Muhammad just wanted to become holy like Jesus so they poisoned people's mind into believing there is god.
Religions like Hinduism or Buddaism are another belief with more details and characters added to the religion. Otherwise they would be classified as the same beliefs.
According to the bible, which I read, you pray to god and he will answer to your prayers, it was unsuccessful and after that I stop reading the bible. It is just a belief or there is a possibility that Jesus or the apostle just wanted attention.
The reason why there are many believers or followers today is because they either are afraid of hell or they believed Jesus strongly. I am classified as neither. |
The problem with blind believers is they are not using their left neocortex. It's the side of the brain that questions stuff and applies logic. The right side neocortex is more of an advanced limbic system. (limbic system controls emotions) The right side neocortex finds patterns and is responsible for intuitive thinking.
I once had an idea. An idea I didn't put into words before then. I was on the verge of thinking it into words but then had no will to do so. Maybe my right neocortex was trying to gain more power. I was so puzzled at this that I ceased to walk for awhile (about a second). (I was at school.) Then I decided to continue without thinking it into words for awhile. I don't remember what idea I had, but the sensation was quite intriging. I'm sure I still have the idea, but I don't remember which idea I had right then. I think it was something about directions.
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