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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:22 am   Reply with quote

I wonder what your opinion on the subject is ?
I start with reviving a theory from rawrskey, Jaydes have his Shayde in mercy: "Previously, people with weird tastes or else spend their life in their city, changing to fir society instead of "living their thing." Now in the internet, you find people with the taste for just about everything, and those people support each other.

Whilst I think people have the right to do sexually whatever they want, there are some things that, if disgusting was speed, have reached escape velocity.

Your opinions ?

And I blame the rise of furries on too many anthro animals in cartoons and commercials. (I can't prove it, but I'm working on that. Kinda.) They've always seemed fishy to me, pun unintended. Call me a bigot or homophobe or furriephobe, but I think that genetic incompatibility is a pretty clear barrier. Not to mention anatomy.

EDIT: And to give the discussion some fodder, I wanted to say: I have seen things from series like Ben10 or even Terry Pratchetts Discworld novels that'd make me loose faith in mankind if I were so easily depressed. THOSE BOOKS ARE NEARLY SACRED FOR ME !

Not to mention that there are people out there who have drawn things which I will not describe here in many words, but which contain Count Bleck, O'Chunks and a lot of graphic.

If there's a god, I don't wnat to know what he thinks of us now. >.> Omniscience must be nightmare-inducing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:42 pm   Reply with quote

Its a Shift in the balance of power, Yes before such, Attractions were well hard to come by, but with the internet It throws that out the window as you stated before.

The Internet however does not only let you meet new people but also allows rapid access of information. People learn faster than they did, perhaps from a fogged glass, but non the less.

I believe outside sources may also attribute to such attractions. A child may be Imprinted at an early age, say something that turns into a fetish, not even a sexual one. everything pertaining to that fetish effects that child's growth and defines them as a person.

Then you have the Sheep, The people that follow just to follow, Somebody who is rather liquid in their tastes. when someone is younger its not uncommon for them to follow. An example, Exhibit A Is an older Furry, Befriends Exhibit B, They talk about interests, A Influences B, Impacts their life and behold another Furry. B becomes accepted into a Furry Community, the social factors of the community is something that cannot be shrugged, not just the support, but the the way these groups "recruit".

When it comes down to it though, I believe the internet just allows easier access to material. Put it simply Rule # 34
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:54 pm   Reply with quote

I try not to think about Furries. Their group hardly extends outside the world of the internet, and I doubt that it will ever effect society as a whole.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:26 pm   Reply with quote

In most other issues, I'd be conservative; however, when it comes to sexuality, I'm more liberal. I believe multiple things influence sexuality and fetishes. It could be genetics, environment (What you're getting at), or, in much rarer cases, choice.

I don't mind homosexuals; as long as they aren't harming anyone (Which they don't), they should be allowed the freedom to their private sexual lives. I don't mind furries, either; as long as they aren't practicing beastiality, they can enjoy their festish fantasies (Which, if I'm correct, it's a "sexual fantasy" thing for most, anyway.)

The internet definitely makes it easier for fetishists to find eachother; and, of course, the internet could influence or help develop a fetish. Then again, the internet could just show that more people are coming out and admitting to their fetishes, instead of actually developing them, which is probably the more likely reason for seeing so many.

I do believe that parents should be strict about what their young children see on television or on the internet, for pornographic material could harm them. However, it must be taken into account that even the most sheltered child can still develop a fetish. The human mind is unpredictable.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:35 pm   Reply with quote

I agree. As long as they keep to themselves or at least don't harm anyone or break the law, let them have their fun.

The problem is, tell that to them. Are you all familiar with the GIFT ? (Greater Internet *crag* Theory) ? It basically goes like this:

Normal Person + Audience + Anonimity = Total *crag*.

It's too true. People let out the "dark side", however small normally, in the internet and become idiots - or jsut reveal themselves to be idiots.

Oh, we're doomed anyway.

Y'know, as a Chrisitian, I'd like to "penny for your thoughts" God once or more often. I wonder what He thinks of us and our history ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:57 pm   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
I agree. As long as they keep to themselves or at least don't harm anyone or break the law, let them have their fun.

The problem is, tell that to them. Are you all familiar with the GIFT ? (Greater Internet *crag* Theory) ? It basically goes like this:

Normal Person + Audience + Anonimity = Total *crag*.


QFT. What two consenting adults do in their own bedroom is their own business. No one should tell them they can't do it... but they shouldn't go around showing people either. o_O;
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:27 am   Reply with quote

Correction, Jolene - what they do in their bedroom is their business AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.

Although some states in america, if I remember correctly, have anti-homosexual laws ? Or so they just forbid marriage ?

Imagine a furry working at the local animal shelter.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:32 am   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
Correction, Jolene - what they do in their bedroom is their business AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.

Although some states in america, if I remember correctly, have anti-homosexual laws ? Or so they just forbid marriage ?

Imagine a furry working at the local animal shelter.


Gay Marriage is illegal in all states with the exception of my home state, Massachusetts, As for discrimination against Gays, Its technically illegal, But it can still happen. ( corrupt police/ sheltered community's.) you cannot refuse to hire someone based on their sexuality, however some private organizations ( such as the Boy scout's of America) Can Refuse membership/higher positions to gays. that can be a bit of a Grey area of the law. ( I personally believe it comes down to pay offs.)


Edit: On a side note, Marriage is a state right, though you can only get Married in Massachusetts, Federal law requires that Documents such as drivers licenses and marriage licenses MUST be honored by the other states in the union.

Hence Why The First Gay couple to get married in Massachusetts Could get Divorced in California. (as they did)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:53 pm   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
Correction, Jolene - what they do in their bedroom is their business AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.


Call me Dr. Kevorkian, but I believe if it's CONSENTUAL TO BOTH PARTIES then *crag* the law.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:12 am   Reply with quote

Furries are merely a case of interest. Some of our interests are not to be heard by the rough people of real life, so we go to internet find a community of people that share such interest.

But... This is when it gets to be no further a mere case of interest.

Like what happens to all kinds of interest groups in Internet, like otakus. I have an example kept to this case.

Now, usually, a person acts in a way before they confess to a person they are in love with, and in other way if they are together. This happens because now the feelings have not to be held inside due to a huge risk, but actually should roam free and grow.

Now, let's exchange that love with an interest. It goes the same way.

When a person has freedom to admit they are furry or otaku, this is allowed to grow. And on it grows.

And then, as everybody has more and more of that interest in the community, they start to get nicknames and threads and more related to it. I'll get that from the example of the otakus: Where do you think the ideas of, for example, bishie threads and, kind of, the emoticon overuse came from? (On an unrelated note, screw any japanse, 'bishie' sounds to me more like a pun on 'b*tchie')

So, the result of much of these things we see today is due to the internet's width of acceptability. Someone who ever secluded their interest at animal porn, now has the freedom and maybe need to let it grow.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:48 am   Reply with quote

Jolene wrote:
Zelnor wrote:
Correction, Jolene - what they do in their bedroom is their business AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.


Call me Dr. Kevorkian, but I believe if it's CONSENTUAL TO BOTH PARTIES then *crag* the law.


Hello, Dr. Kevorkian. *brick'd* (Who is that guy ?)

You should still honor biochemical barriers. Incest. Bestiality. Letting aside that whether the animal gave its consent or not is impossible to ascertain, it is wrong.

As of Incest... No. Just - no.
Let gay people, heteros and bisexuals do however way they swing with as many costumes and imaginatively shaped accessories as they like, but some taboos must be held.

I think maybe furry porn is used as a sort of thing to navigate around one's shame. Imagine seeing a human model doing watersports or something else on someone, or being ridiculously photoshopped. Then imagine that human would bear a passing resemblance on someone you know.

Big no.

Anthropomorphized animals, however, bear no resemblance. They're "wild". They're "animals". They don't seem to have to follow any taboo.

So maybe people look at it to bypass their own shame, as they want sex on teh one side and wat to see something that satisfies what they find erotic, but on the other hand feel shameful about that.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:58 pm   Reply with quote

Zelnor wrote:
I think maybe furry porn is used as a sort of thing to navigate around one's shame. Imagine seeing a human model doing watersports or something else on someone, or being ridiculously photoshopped. Then imagine that human would bear a passing resemblance on someone you know.

Big no.

Anthropomorphized animals, however, bear no resemblance. They're "wild". They're "animals". They don't seem to have to follow any taboo.

So maybe people look at it to bypass their own shame, as they want sex on teh one side and wat to see something that satisfies what they find erotic, but on the other hand feel shameful about that.

I think that furry porn exists because a lot of people watched Animaniacs when they were younger and thought that Minerva Mink was hot.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:09 pm   Reply with quote

carfilledwithfish wrote:
Zelnor wrote:
I think maybe furry porn is used as a sort of thing to navigate around one's shame. Imagine seeing a human model doing watersports or something else on someone, or being ridiculously photoshopped. Then imagine that human would bear a passing resemblance on someone you know.

Big no.

Anthropomorphized animals, however, bear no resemblance. They're "wild". They're "animals". They don't seem to have to follow any taboo.

So maybe people look at it to bypass their own shame, as they want sex on teh one side and wat to see something that satisfies what they find erotic, but on the other hand feel shameful about that.

I think that furry porn exists because a lot of people watched Animaniacs when they were younger and thought that Minerva Mink was hot.


Flavio's thoughts exactly.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:27 pm   Reply with quote

Incest is OK as long as it's two consenting ADULTS.
A child or young teen is too young. A child or young teen cannot consent.

Bestiality is not OK, because animals can't talk. An animal cannot consent.

Dr. Kevorkian is a doctor who specializes in assisted suicide. Someone wants to die, he gives them a lethal injection. Everyone is like "OMFG U KILLED HIM" but the guy WANTED to die very much, so really assisted suicide is just giving them what they asked for.

I mean, like, when my grandfather was in the nursing home before he died. He was blind, couldn't walk, couldn't even watch TV ('cause he was blind...) and was bedbound and sat there and did absolutely nothing all day but eat, sleep, and poop. He knew his life was nearing an end, and wanted to die, more sooner than later. Instead, because of the law, he had to sit there hating his life and doing absolutely nothing but waiting to die, for another few months for no real reason except the law.

... someone could have just given him a lethal injection and made the poor guy happy. But noooooo. The law's the law and all that.
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