| What do you think about dodging POW Blocks when playing with others on WiFi? |
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Super Maiq the Liar
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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:05 pm
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| Mister I wrote: | | Maiq the Liar wrote: | | It gives Manual an unfair advantage on WiFi. |
You make a conscious decision to play on automatic. Therefore, you make a conscious decision not to have that ability, just like you make the conscious decision to be whatever combo you're best at. You're stating you won't have the ability, but choose to do automatic anyway.
In other words, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES AND STOP BLAMING IT ON THE GAME! |
And if you find it difficult to use manual? If you don't have a choice, like the casual gamer(which the Wii supposedly aims for)? Is it fair for someone who has no real choice but to use Automatic because they at least get some benefit rather than none?
It is not M'aiq's fault that Nintendo decided to remove hopping from one of the styles.
You only seem to be thinking of people like yourself and other people who play these games and know all of these things, but M'aiq is thinking more of the people who don't normally play games. Is it really fair to set a handicap against them? |
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Mister I
Almaz
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:12 pm
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| Maiq the Liar wrote: | | Mister I wrote: | | Maiq the Liar wrote: | | It gives Manual an unfair advantage on WiFi. |
You make a conscious decision to play on automatic. Therefore, you make a conscious decision not to have that ability, just like you make the conscious decision to be whatever combo you're best at. You're stating you won't have the ability, but choose to do automatic anyway.
In other words, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHOICES AND STOP BLAMING IT ON THE GAME! |
And if you find it difficult to use manual? If you don't have a choice, like the casual gamer(which the Wii supposedly aims for)? Is it fair for someone who has no real choice but to use Automatic because they at least get some benefit rather than none?
It is not M'aiq's fault that Nintendo decided to remove hopping from one of the styles.
You only seem to be thinking of people like yourself and other people who play these games and know all of these things, but M'aiq is thinking more of the people who don't normally play games. Is it really fair to set a handicap against them? |
Well, it's pretty obvious that advanced players will use more advanced techniques, such as the POW Block Dodge. And, as SSG said, POW Block dodgers STILL lose whatever item they're holding in the process. Casual gamers, though they may get lucky with items sometimes, will still not match up to the skill of the hardcore in the end. Though a balanced game would be ideal, it feels really upsetting to disable a feature for people who can do it well. And when people online see this thing that they can't do, they'll do one of two things:
1. Get really pissed off, call it cheap, and complain about it to their friends or to a message board
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2. Improve, try it out, attempt to learn something new and step into waters unknown, like Nintendo would like them to.
I find that automatic is more of a simple learning curve: it makes some courses much easier, but manual improves overall skill and times very well, albet it's more difficult to use. Therefore, automatic feels more like a "training engine", if you will.
Also, casuals should REALLY not be getting as emotional as you over a simple feature they probably won't notice for a long time. And online play's evil for competitive casuals, since there's probably some hardcore guy a little bit better than them. |
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Super Maiq the Liar
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:26 pm
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M'aiq is anything but a casual gamer, if you hadn't noticed. M'aiq just happens to feel that if a console is supposedly going to be accessible by everyone, the main games thay have should at least be fair, or have a handicap option so it can be fair for some people. It's really difficult trying to make mistakes on purpose so your mother can win a few games without her noticing the deception. |
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Mister I
Almaz
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:46 pm
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...isn't that the whole point of items? Isn't that the whole point of Blue Shells being so *crag*ing annoying and the *crag*ing Bullet Bill and the *crag*ing Lightning item?
...I'm sorry, I'm really feeling upset right now, so sorry if I offended you in any way, Maiq. But...really, it's just a way to reward hardcore gamers that know their Mario Kart and can do some timing. Can't you let us off with what little dignity the item *crag*ing leaves us? XD |
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LOL I just lost the game!
Tiptron MKII
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:41 pm
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Well, it seems unfair to the new guys that barely even got the game. You know, people that only have 5000VR points need a chance to win too. But that's what I believe. So I'm not blaming the game am I? |
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Mister I
Almaz
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:45 pm
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| Tiptron MKII wrote: | | Well, it seems unfair to the new guys that barely even got the game. You know, people that only have 5000VR points need a chance to win too. But that's what I believe. So I'm not blaming the game am I? |
The people with 5000VR points that are just starting the game could be just as good as the people with over 9000VR points. You, indeed, aren't blaming the game, but you're asking for a handicap, which is unreasonable online. |
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LOL I just lost the game!
Tiptron MKII
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:13 pm
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Ahh... I see what you are saying. Sorry if I seem kinda out of it today. I'm really tired.... DX |
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Mister I
Almaz
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:17 pm
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That's totally alright, I'm completely exhausted myself. XD |
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LOL I just lost the game!
Tiptron MKII
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:21 pm
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| Mister I wrote: | | That's totally alright, I'm completely exhausted myself. XD |
Thanks. I'm not in this boat alone.... XD |
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Mandew
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:07 pm
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Automatic still has its own advantages that Manual doesn't have. Manual has its advantages over Automatic.
The short hop is actually quite a casual advantage. It's mostly useful in Shy Guy Beach to leap onto the small lines of Water.
I'm always using Automatic, and I don't complain. |
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Mister I
Almaz
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:06 am
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Wait...I just dodged two POW Blocks with the Piranha Prowler on 50cc using automatic (sister's file). @.@
That is all. |
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Yoshi
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Joined: 15 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:29 pm
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With pow blocks, I usually find some way to jump. I always find myself stopping so a pow block doesn't make me fall off rainbow road. |
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LOL I just lost the game!
Tiptron MKII
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:30 pm
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The only way I know how do dodge a POW Block is by shaking the Wiimote like crazy right when it's about to hit. It's kinda like doing a trick I guess. |
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Hellza Ballza
Goron Mask
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Joined: 14 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:57 pm
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No it isn't, it's called A TACTIC people, get use to it. And besides POW blocks are over powered. |
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jacking off
Small Sammer Guy
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:59 pm
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| Mister I wrote: | Wait...I just dodged two POW Blocks with the Piranha Prowler on 50cc using automatic (sister's file). @.@
That is all. |
Both Karts and Bikes can dodge POW blocks in the same way. |
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