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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:57 pm   Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:16 pm   Reply with quote

Wow...

That actually makes sense.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:17 pm   Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:30 pm   Reply with quote

Detective Gumshoe wrote:
Wow...

That actually makes sense.


So you think there is no God? Then who created us? The big bang? Let me ask you something, if what scientists say are true, then that means us and everything we are were made by accident?

Our arms and legs are accidents, our hands, eyes, ears, noses, mouth, and tongue are accidents. Our reproduction is an accident.

You can't just have a big explosion to create an airplane, you need people to build one, to make it work so it can fly. Just like how people can make an airplane to fly, there had to be someone to make a bird and make it fly. If you don't believe in a God, then what's the point of even living? Are you just living to die?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:36 pm   Reply with quote

Brak Obama wrote:
Detective Gumshoe wrote:
Wow...

That actually makes sense.


So you think there is no God? Then who created us? The big bang? Let me ask you something, if what scientists say are true, then that means us and everything we are were made by accident?

Our arms and legs are accidents, our hands, eyes, ears, noses, mouth, and tongue are accidents. Our reproduction is an accident.

You can't just have a big explosion to create an airplane, you need people to build one, to make it work so it can fly. Just like how people can make an airplane to fly, there had to be someone to make a bird and make it fly. If you don't believe in a God, then what's the point of even living? Are you just living to die?
What I believe is that there is a god, but his only existance was to create and watch. He made the world but decide after that to see what would happen. This means god has no intention in creating humans, he let it happen, because he wanted to see if a civlization could rise if under the right conditions could happen. Thanks to the moon and stable atmosphere, it was right. We started to evolve under the eye of god as he watched us grow for billions of years into the people today. He only watches and judges people which is how they're determined to go to heaven/hell.

So I see life like a 8 year olds ant farm or sea monkies.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:39 pm   Reply with quote

That guy has a really good point. Heres my theory, religion is a sack of bullshit thats shoved down the world's throats so people don't kill themselves and do horrible crimes. In other words religion is just another way to control people...
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:46 pm   Reply with quote

Why do people ask questions, when they don't really want to know the answers?

People assume that Christians are stupid, or are not thinking logically. People like him don't even give god an honest chance. Sure, maybe not all Christians know what they are talking about, but that doesn't mean the answers are not out there. Don't stop seeking for answers when the first person you ask doesnt know or has it wrong. And don't insult people with "I am sooo enlightened, here is my smart-ass response to your lame beliefs. ditto."

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BTW, if you really want to know the answers to his trap-questions, I'll post them if you want. The bottom line is the truth exists, no matter how much humanity and religion tries to corrupt it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:59 pm   Reply with quote

1. In the past 2000 years, there hasn't been much news of God doing something unnatural. A limb will not regenerate naturally. Also, I'm sure it's enough that we survive the incident itself.
2. Perhaps some people are praying to the wrong God? He loves everyone the same, and He wants what's best for us, but how can he know they're faithful if they aren't praying to Him.
3. There are many interpretations of verses in the Bible, so things can get mixed up. Generally people are breaking His laws, whatever they may be, for their own selfish purpose. You shouldn't work on Sunday, or the Sabbath, because it is His day he set apart for us. He wants you to respect that.
4. Some things in the Bible are not exactly as they seem.
-The Bible said the Earth was created in six days. This may or may not be true, but we know this was to show the significance of the Bible.
-I'm fairly sure there have been remnants of petrified wood roughly resembling a boat or ship have been found on the mountain on which Noah landed.
-This is actually slightly possible. Keep in mind God's power.
-Keep in mind this is no ordinary handful of dust. It's a handful from God's own hand.
5. It would be helpful is there was some explanation here. I'm too lazy to look it up, and like I said, the Bible can be interpreted many ways. Also, keep in mind times were different then. On top of that, remember the Bible was translated a long time ago. There could have been arguments about the meanings of words.
6. We are on this Earth to learn. God gives us trials so we can learn.
7. Try to understand the word miracle. They often can't be explained scientifically.
8. Jesus has already lived on Earth. Some believe He has appeared a few times for a few people, and even more believe that He will come again.
9. He doesn't want us to symbolize eating His body and drinking His blood, He wants the bread and wine/water/whatever to symbolize His body and blood, which He shed for us. Jesus wants for us to remember him.
10. Christians have as much free will as non-Christians. They can still make the same mistakes as everyone else does. Marriage alone shouldn't just 'seal the deal', couples have to honor their commitment.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:50 pm   Reply with quote

IMO, all these questions are unecessary. There is one that is good enough.

"What the hell confirms you that nothing in the Bible is a lie?"

Many parts of the Bible are completely unproven, and sometimes they collapse with true facts from our world.

I bet that if the Bible was released nowadays, a society where we don't believe two objects of the same shape fall at the same speed just because Aristoteles (Or whatever you spell his name when you're speaking English) said so, we'd all find it ridiculous and we'd all shout "BLASPHEMY!" at the various unproven lines.

But the problem is that it was released at a time people would believe things like magic much more. So people got highly influenced. And highly influenced their children, who grew up, had children and highly influenced them. The cycle lasted long enough to still last nowadays with almost all of the power it had ever had.

But how people get influenced make them biased and unable to deny what "God" says.

IMO, this thing of how the science can't tell you how were so many things created and just because of this it fails and religion is true, IS fail. The big deal is that we humans are stupid animals, no matter how smart we are compared to our equals. Our mathematic system doesn't let you divide by zero and claims to have infinite numbers yet I'm sure there are way too many unnamed ones as of yet. Not science nor religion will ever get right about some of the biggest mysteries that surround us, becuase they are our idiotic man-made ideas. Personally, I prefer to belive in the one that admits that it's still impossible to solve some of our mysteries, instead of the one that claims to have the answers when they are false.

How do I know if they are false? Why would God give a damn about us? Why would he send his son down to attn whore about how he exists? This is all man-made nonsense.

And don't ask me any questions that Science can't answer, because I'll simply say, "We will never know." I at least have a bit of a belief: Yes, there is some sort of deity out there, but that's not God because he's a man-made fantasy. That deity doesn't feel the need to show up on our faces or care about our puniness. And don't ask me about it, because my humanity limits my possibility to theorize more about it, and I'm probably wrong anyway since I'm too human to get it right.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:55 pm   Reply with quote

CFH wrote:
Our mathematic system doesn't let you divide by zero and claims to have infinite numbers yet I'm sure there are way too many unnamed ones as of yet.


Sorry, but I just had to point out this statement from your observation.
Every mathematic system is the same!
And it doesn't matter how it can be done, it's impossible to divide by 0.

All math problems can be worked backwards as well as forwards. Like how 1+2=3 can be worked backwards to make 3-2=1. This can also be done with multiplication and division. 2x3=6 can be worked out backwards to make 6/3=2

Now that you have the basic idea, I'll show you why it's impossible. 0 divided by anything equals 0, because 0 has no value, not even a fraction. 0x3=0 and 0/3=0. But when you put the 0 in place of the 3 for division, you'll basically get an equation that's unsolvable. 3/0 has no answer because 0 has no value, there's no answer even if worked backwards! Let's pretend N was the answer to 3/0. So it would be worked backwards to make Nx0=3, it would be impossible to find what N is because anything times 0 will always be 0. That's why nothing can be divided by 0, so technically, N can't ever be any number at all!

As for infinite numbers, the only infinite number there is is just ∞ (or lemniscate). Which is essential for the mathematic system to represent a variable that never ends, for processes that last an eternity such as universal expansion.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:02 pm   Reply with quote

Brak Obama wrote:
CFH wrote:
Our mathematic system doesn't let you divide by zero and claims to have infinite numbers yet I'm sure there are way too many unnamed ones as of yet.


Sorry, but I just had to point out this statement from your observation.
Every mathematic system is the same!
And it doesn't matter how it can be done, it's impossible to divide by 0.

All math problems can be worked backwards as well as forwards. Like how 1+2=3 can be worked backwards to make 3-2=1. This can also be done with multiplication and division. 2x3=6 can be worked out backwards to make 6/3=2

Now that you have the basic idea, I'll show you why it's impossible. 0 divided by anything equals 0, because 0 has no value, not even a fraction. 0x3=0 and 0/3=0. But when you put the 0 in place of the 3 for division, you'll basically get an equation that's unsolvable. 3/0 has no answer because 0 has no value, there's no answer even if worked backwards! Let's pretend N was the answer to 3/0. So it would be worked backwards to make Nx0=3, it would be impossible to find what N is because anything times 0 will always be 0. That's why nothing can be divided by 0, so technically, N can't ever be any number at all!

As for infinite numbers, the only infinite number there is is just ∞ (or lemniscate). Which is essential for the mathematic system to represent a variable that never ends, for processes that last an eternity such as universal expansion.
I know 1+1 is the same anywhere, but I'm sure a better race across the universe came up with a better way of recognizing it. Our way to do it is fail.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:06 pm   Reply with quote

CFH wrote:
Brak Obama wrote:
CFH wrote:
Our mathematic system doesn't let you divide by zero and claims to have infinite numbers yet I'm sure there are way too many unnamed ones as of yet.


Sorry, but I just had to point out this statement from your observation.
Every mathematic system is the same!
And it doesn't matter how it can be done, it's impossible to divide by 0.

All math problems can be worked backwards as well as forwards. Like how 1+2=3 can be worked backwards to make 3-2=1. This can also be done with multiplication and division. 2x3=6 can be worked out backwards to make 6/3=2

Now that you have the basic idea, I'll show you why it's impossible. 0 divided by anything equals 0, because 0 has no value, not even a fraction. 0x3=0 and 0/3=0. But when you put the 0 in place of the 3 for division, you'll basically get an equation that's unsolvable. 3/0 has no answer because 0 has no value, there's no answer even if worked backwards! Let's pretend N was the answer to 3/0. So it would be worked backwards to make Nx0=3, it would be impossible to find what N is because anything times 0 will always be 0. That's why nothing can be divided by 0, so technically, N can't ever be any number at all!

As for infinite numbers, the only infinite number there is is just ∞ (or lemniscate). Which is essential for the mathematic system to represent a variable that never ends, for processes that last an eternity such as universal expansion.
I know 1+1 is the same anywhere, but I'm sure a better race across the universe came up with a better way of recognizing it. Our way to do it is fail.
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Who knows? It's hard to imagine another sort of mathematic system, but who's to say that ours is not more advanced that anything out there?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:57 pm   Reply with quote

you know if you were an ACTUAL smart person and you believed in Science, this would make complete sense. I enjoyed watching this.
After watching this, I really think all this religion around the world are just a waste of time that justs corrupts your mind with this "god"
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:11 pm   Reply with quote

Brak Obama wrote:
CFH wrote:
Brak Obama wrote:
CFH wrote:
Our mathematic system doesn't let you divide by zero and claims to have infinite numbers yet I'm sure there are way too many unnamed ones as of yet.


Sorry, but I just had to point out this statement from your observation.
Every mathematic system is the same!
And it doesn't matter how it can be done, it's impossible to divide by 0.

All math problems can be worked backwards as well as forwards. Like how 1+2=3 can be worked backwards to make 3-2=1. This can also be done with multiplication and division. 2x3=6 can be worked out backwards to make 6/3=2

Now that you have the basic idea, I'll show you why it's impossible. 0 divided by anything equals 0, because 0 has no value, not even a fraction. 0x3=0 and 0/3=0. But when you put the 0 in place of the 3 for division, you'll basically get an equation that's unsolvable. 3/0 has no answer because 0 has no value, there's no answer even if worked backwards! Let's pretend N was the answer to 3/0. So it would be worked backwards to make Nx0=3, it would be impossible to find what N is because anything times 0 will always be 0. That's why nothing can be divided by 0, so technically, N can't ever be any number at all!

As for infinite numbers, the only infinite number there is is just ∞ (or lemniscate). Which is essential for the mathematic system to represent a variable that never ends, for processes that last an eternity such as universal expansion.
I know 1+1 is the same anywhere, but I'm sure a better race across the universe came up with a better way of recognizing it. Our way to do it is fail.
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Who knows? It's hard to imagine another sort of mathematic system, but who's to say that ours is not more advanced that anything out there?
It's hard for us, because probably the other systems are beyond our comprehension, as are many things we pretend we're the best ever about.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:50 pm   Reply with quote

Small Sammer Guy wrote:
you know if you were an ACTUAL smart person and you believed in Science, this would make complete sense. I enjoyed watching this.
After watching this, I really think all this religion around the world are just a waste of time that justs corrupts your mind with this "god"


Nice one there, insulting the ~90% of the world that believes in a god. I believe in God, why do you think that means that I am not smart and that I don't believe in Science?

This video poses some good questions, things that should be thought and talked about, and many Christians do go on without ever thinking about these things. Where this video went too far was to assume that he knows what all Christians believe, and then go on to dismiss these questions without really looking for answers.

I wish people could keep an open mind, instead of assuming billions of people and thousands of years of history are a waste of time.
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