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[Lord Krump]

No flaming in this topic. Keep it reasonable, and intelligent- I'll be watching it, and if you resort to name-calling or flaming based upon differing viewpoints, you will be striked. Let me steal a post I made on another site to help explain my opinion, and get the discussion started:

[Meta Knight]

I believe a person's gender should be chosen by that person alone. It is their choice to be what they consider themselves to be on the inside, no matter what the outside appearance of the person is. It is madness that people have reached the point of becoming obscenely insulting to those that are unsure or those that disagree with what gender they had been born with. It is outragious.

It is even more outragious that parents are now trying to control what gender their child grows up to be. As I said before, it is only the persons choice of what they want to be, not others.

Now then. Gender roles have been around for centuries. I myself believe that this will not change. There are certain theories of how such an occurance is. One is the passionate theory, where the person decides upon themself to be what they want to be. The other is the genetic theory, that certain persons are induced via genes that cause a mental instability, thus causing the gender role. It can be stated that such an occurance is numerically outnumbered by the amount of persons that choose to be the female or male gender role in what I called the passionate theory.

Unfortunately, the act of being transexual or transgendered is frowned upon and considered uncivil. Many, because of the corruption of such religious branches (I will not state which ones, for fear of an uprising against me. I am,m however, Agnostic) that such an act is considered mutilation, even sin against the god that they believe in. They fear playing against god. They fear the uniqueness of the person who is, what they refer to as gender challenged, and do not wish to have a possible enemy against them. Of course, this is only my opinion on what I have seen and researched over the years.

[Francine]

The human mind will always make aspects superior to another.

[Super ShadowArticuno]

Exactly what Francine said.

As humans, most of us aren't gifted with the intelligence to see true equality, and as soon as gender roles are competely forgotten, they will resurface, either as the same as in the past or flipped inside out and hung upside-down.

In other words, female supremacy is inevitable, and the term house husband will be used a lot more often.

[Ligador]

Hm. Personally, I believe sexism comes from our roots. We were animals just like the others in before. Look at the lions: Are there gender roles, and "manly" and "womanly" things? Yes, I could say. Female lions are responsible for hunting, male lions are responsible for protecting the family. Having many fur is "manly", having little fur is "womanly". Heck, I've even seen that the female lions must submit to a male, and if her male dies, she has to seek another one. Usually, she's forced to stay with her ex-husband's killer.

And even deeper on our roots, why does genders exist in first place? Take a look at how sex was created. Waaaay in before, there were many many unicelular beings inhabiting the water. They would seek perfection by hitting each other, thus exchanging genes, which offered improvemnts. There were two sorts of beings that would have the most gene interactions: The little agile ones, and the enormous bold ones. Later, as pluricelular beings started to come to be, some became males with a lot of tiny sexual cells, and some became females with a few larger sexual cells.

So, technically, males and females were only made to differ in one way: The males were made to have the tiny agile spermatozoids, the females were made to have the huge bold ovules. Nothing else.

But later, male and female grew huger gaping differences, which even went to affect the way the brain functions -- hence, men tend to be pratical, women tend to be emotional.

I think that the genders need to be both equalized and separated. Man and woman should be treated as equals, but as they have such different organisms, there needs to be, for example, medicine for women. The society nowadays is based on the previous one, which focused on men's needs, so we need to adapt the society to women's needs, specially when it comes to their bodies -- on the inside, of course.

The problem is that our marketing business is a true bummer, and one that loves to crumble all of our achievments. Children at early ages learn to be sexist because the media pushes them towards it. If you are a male kid and you have a girl friend, your friends will either call you gay, or will joke around saying you have a love affair.

And to add up to it, Francine and ShadowArticuno said it already. Human race seeks for the old "i r bettar dan u lol". That way, it was enforced that they use genders as a sorry excuse to think they're better. Both maleists, who usually are old-fashioned and think women belong in the kitchen, and feminists, who usually aren't all that mature and are all like "lol bois suk". These two, then again, are mere stereotypes, and whatever is the reason you have to be sexist for your own gender, it ends up in boasting.
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[Almaz]

The human race is based completely on self-preservation. Therefore, we can assume that early in history, the gender more suited for the barbaric needs of what would be considered "prehistory" established itself as superior. This would be the male gender. Now, I can safely say that very few have evolved mentally through prehistoric times, as these roles are rarely, if not ever, altered. And why? Because the human race, in the act of self-preservation, is afraid of change.

Will there be a day that all sexes can be equal? When all can truly be who they are on the inside? When life can move on from dealing with such an issue and move on to what's really important (NOT war either)? I cannot say...clouded by the dark side, the future is. I can only hope for a better, less blank-ist tomorrow.

[Miku Hatsune]

[Super Maiq the Liar]

[Miku Hatsune]

[The Chaos Heart]

No. Don't get me started again.

I'm going to say this and hopefully not come back with another wall of text.

You sick minded basterds. You disgusting pigs. Those of you who classify people based off of their sex, YOU are the unitelligent. You ignorant fools, no person is greater than another because of gender. As humans, you have the ability to be just as good as any man or woman in anything (except in terms of the way your bodies work) you do. The ONLY thing that should classify people is the limits of their abilities. Gender roles are insolent laws created by incompetent assholes.

[Super Maiq the Liar]

[Celeste Dimentia]

[Super Postman]

I honestly Hate Gender roles.

There I said it, Why Because it promotes discrimination.

now myself being Trans I hear all the time "Oh if you hate gender roles so much why are you conforming to one" sorta spiel. Gender shouldn't be a limiting factor for employment, legal representation Personal preferences Ect Ect. But humanity as a whole (not individuals) Have a specific line of what is male what is female. These Roles are set Culturally, Religiously, Socially. so on so forth.

Plenty of people live with the grey area of Humanity's Line, Just to create controversy. However I and most Trans I've had contact with do not wish to live only to create controversy. Just as you would say are unfortunately part of controversy. Not committing any thoughts to Gender Roles I believe myself Female. Yes I do have some underlined(ala society) "feminine" traits and I have some underlined "masculine" ones. it makes up me. who I am. the Individual.

however it comes onto an issue of depression. Ive never felt right I'm unhappy with my body, I want to change my body. I want to be accepted as Female. yes, but I don't want to limit myself to gender roles. In other words being Female is being honest with myself.

Being male, to me at least, the male persona I took on, was a lie that conformed to gender roles. yeah I lied to get by. so I wouldn't be chastised for feeling depressed about being in the wrong body.
so In turn the classic conformity question the answer is Living as male, for me anyway Is Conforming to a gender role.

Something that I think needs to be Said for all Trans. We aren't like this by choice, and its not an easy path those who live the path face constant persecution, Hatred, Discrimination. Would you honestly submit yourself to such trials in life By Choice? Maybe its a "sin" to be Trans but isnt it a "sin" to lie to yourself and others on a daily basis to keep yourself going?

[X-Neto]

Humanity has a funny way of working out any momentary change, be it evolution, color of skin, or ethnic grouping, and turning it into either superiority or making others feel inferior. But that's what the human race be. A group of people wanting to live their lives to new heights of happiness and not afraid to bring a knife into the guy next to them to do it.

So, being male, there is a fact that since females are doing much more in the communities, jobs, and leadership, I feel uneasy. I mean no offense to you female members, it's an instinct and it's not something I wish to part with. All and all, a race with genderless homosapians would be strange for us, while expected for future generations and will definately iron out many issues, such as same-sex marriage and glass ceilings. However, that won't stop humans from being just that, humans.

I don't consider myself better then others, in fact, I'm just as others. If given the choice between my life and another, half the time I would choose the other. Although a future with genders missing from the equation would be a strange new outlook, it's entirely possible, and may be for the better. If mankind wasn't so barberic... well... maybe we would be a few notches higher up in life. But that won't happen, I'm not willing to change, and neither is the way we all act.

[Lord Krump]