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Super Cyber Mario
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| Associated Press wrote: | CHICAGO - Barack Obama clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, becoming the first black candidate to lead a major party into a campaign for the White House, according to an Associated Press tally of delegates.
Obama arranged a victory celebration at the site of this summer's Republican National Convention — an in-your-face gesture to Sen. John McCain, who will be his opponent in the race to become the nation's 44th president.
The 46-year-old Obama outlasted Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic campaign that sparked record turnouts in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party. Clinton on Tuesday signaled an interest in joining the ticket as running mate but stopped short of conceding to Obama or dropping out of the race. According to one participant in an afternoon conference call among Clinton and members of the New York congressional delegation, Rep. Nydia Velasquez said she believed the best way for Obama to win over Hispanics and members of other key voting blocs would be to take the former first lady as his running mate.
"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November, said the participant, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was a private matter. Obama sealed his victory based on public declarations from delegates as well as from an additional 22 who had confirmed their intentions to the AP. The count also included five delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 15 percent of the vote in South Dakota and Montana later in the day. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination.
NBC News has been maintaining its own tally of delegates, which stood at Obama being 13 delegates short of the 2,118 needed. NBC News said it would not confirm Obama as the presumptive nominee until all private commitments by delegates were made public.
Delegates needed
Clinton stood ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. They stressed that the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.
Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy — all harnessed to his own innate gifts as a campaigner.
With her husband's two-White House terms as a backdrop, Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready, she said, to take over on Day One.
But after a year on the campaign trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the freshman senator became something of an overnight political phenomenon.
"We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come," he said that night in Des Moines.
A video produced by Will I. Am and built around Obama's "Yes, we can" rallying cry quickly went viral. It drew its one millionth hit within a few days of being posted.
Enthusiastic audiences
As the strongest female presidential candidate in history, Clinton drew large, enthusiastic audiences. Yet Obama's were bigger still. One audience, in Dallas, famously cheered when he blew his nose on stage; a crowd of 75,000 turned out in Portland, Ore., the weekend before the state's May 20 primary. The former first lady countered Obama's Iowa victory with an upset five days later in New Hampshire that set the stage for a campaign marathon as competitive as any in the last generation.
"Over the last week I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice," she told supporters who had saved her candidacy from an early demise.
In defeat, Obama's aides concluded they had committed a cardinal sin of New Hampshire politics, forsaking small, intimate events in favor of speeches to large audiences inviting them to ratify Iowa's choice.
It was not a mistake they made again — which helped explain Obama's later outings to bowling alleys, backyard basketball hoops and American Legion halls in the heartland.
Clinton conceded nothing, memorably knocking back a shot of Crown Royal whiskey at a bar in Indiana, recalling that her grandfather had taught her to use a shotgun, and driving in a pickup to a gas station in South Bend, Ind., to emphasize her support for a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax.
As other rivals quickly fell away in winter, the strongest black candidate in history and the strongest female White House contender traded victories on Super Tuesday, the Feb. 5 series of primaries and caucuses across 21 states and American Samoa that once seemed likely to settle the nomination.
But Clinton had a problem that Obama exploited, and he scored a coup she could not answer.
Pressed for cash, the former first lady ran noncompetitive campaigns in several Super Tuesday caucus states, allowing her rival to run up his delegate totals. |
Basically it isn't 100% official, but it is sure that he will get the nomination. And now because Hilary Clinton lost she realized that she needs to shut up and hope to be on the ticket.
It's now Obama vs. McCain
I myself was an Obama supporter from the beginning, but in the recent days I've been partial to McCain, as i'm more independent than Democratic. It seems to me that McCain is being very, very smart about the whole situation and throughout the year. I need to look into the two conidates to make my final decision.
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Dark Lord Eternal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:48 pm
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Indeed.
Although I originally supported Clinton, I view Obama as a very fine candidate as well. I hope that he is able to decisively defeat John McCain. |
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THE BIRTHDAY GIRL
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:58 pm
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YESH. And just so you know: Obama + Clinton + McCain = Condoleezza Rice. (Black woman Republican who should be president) |
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Super Cyber Mario
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:59 pm
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| King Harkinian wrote: | | YESH. And just so you know: Obama + Clinton + McCain = Condoleezza Rice. (Black woman Republican who should be president) |
Wait, so does that make you Democratic or Republican? >_> |
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THE BIRTHDAY GIRL
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:00 pm
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| Cyber Mario wrote: | | King Harkinian wrote: | | YESH. And just so you know: Obama + Clinton + McCain = Condoleezza Rice. (Black woman Republican who should be president) |
Wait, so does that make you Democratic or Republican? >_> |
I'm a Republicrat. |
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Dark Lord Eternal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:06 pm
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That statement makes no sense at all. |
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Cid
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:09 pm
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| King Harkinian wrote: | | Cyber Mario wrote: | | King Harkinian wrote: | | YESH. And just so you know: Obama + Clinton + McCain = Condoleezza Rice. (Black woman Republican who should be president) |
Wait, so does that make you Democratic or Republican? >_> |
I'm a Republicrat. |
You know, you have a point. People get too caught up with political parties and let the party decide for them rather than their own opinion, when they forget about the important stuff. Considering oneself an independent is the most open-minded choice, I think. |
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Jolene
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:12 pm
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Let's have a partayyyyyy! :3 WOOOOO! |
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Fat Tuper
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:21 pm
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The whole party thing is stupid. But the person that HG wants MUST have good views on the economy. If McCain gets elected, our country could be seeing the last of it's successfu—moderately sucessful because Bush IS a piece of shit years.
And I HATE swearing. |
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Cid
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:26 pm
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| Pokémoneinstein wrote: | | The whole party thing is stupid. But the person that HG wants MUST have good views on the economy. If McCain gets elected, our country could be seeing the last of it's successful years. |
That's what I'm worried about with McCain. If I am correct, he doesn't have much experience with economics; Mitt Romney was probably the best Republican choice, economy-wise. 'Cause he's a businessman. He's gone, though, and I definitely wouldn't support Clinton, because she seems a little too socialist. Obama would, probably, be the best choice. But, again, since everyone's too caught up with political parties, the lack of a definite decision for the democratic party for so long is going to hurt his chances, as well as the unity in his party. |
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Fat Tuper
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:30 pm
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btw, HG is KH's real-life nickname. |
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Bartz Klauser
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ou beat me to it. *crag*, slow computer.
So I'm just getting kinda tired of this. I'm just hoping the next president ISN'T an imbecile so that I can live there in peace after I move. |
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Dark Lord Eternal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:45 pm
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I agree with you, Lord Crump. Also, the reason I formerly supported Clinton was because I thought that temporary socialistic "shock therapy" might be what the country needs. Regardless, it is now clear that Barrack Obama appears to be the best choice at this point. |
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Logic King
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:49 pm
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Something that has stuck out to me, being interested decently in space exploration, is that Obama plans fullheartedly to put off the constellation project, basically shutting down nasa for five years.
Just a note. |
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Dark Lord Eternal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:55 pm
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At the moment, the economy is more important. |
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