digibutter.nerr

[Wee Gee]

This forum doesn’t really feel like a Super Paper Mario based forum let alone a Mario forum. Where’s the FP? Where’s the badges? Where’s all the Super Paper Mario based items? (There’s only a little bit). Where’s all the Mario games in the arcade? I mean, it seems like it’s missing quite a lot of stuff that should actually be there. It doesn’t feel, as Francis said “hi-technicaaaaaal”. I thought maybe other sectors of the forum might be in better condition but I was wrong.



The forum Off-Topic, is just madness. I know that you probably won’t listen to a new member, but I think it should be deleted. I see so much spam, flames and trolling, that it’s much worse than the place I came from earlier: Boo’s Mansion. At first when I went to the Off-Topic, it gave me the impression that it was an adult site based on what went on there. (I’ve never seen any forum with any of that stuff. I also went to several pages, and saw much stuff).



There’s also many unnecessary forums: Super Mario Galaxy. Super Smash Bros, Role-Play Off-Topic (most of the topics are decent enough to go into Role-Play), Miyamojo and Star Carnival. Why can’t there be a general Mario forum?



Isn’t there a moderator team to take care of things that go on in there? If there is, they don’t seem active at all. If they are active, they are probably not doing their job properly. (Sorry if this offends anyone but this is the truth). I’ve seen several posts, while looking through Off-Topic, which went against the rules. There was much flaming but nothing was locked and no action was taken. I also saw someone post, admitting that he was a moderator, in which the moderator said that he isn’t as strict on the rules on his friends and they go with out strikes, or something. I think there is another moderator, not sure if he is one, but from what I read, Plastic Mario. I’ve seen him spamming inside of posts. Is this madness? I believe that moderators should be biased. Maybe new, active, moderators who will actually do the job of moderator should be put in as moderators and the horrible ones taken out?



Also, some people said something about the old digibutter? Do you think that the lack of features, and the moderators have contributed to this place’s communist styled downfall?

If there were more features, then no one would be as bored right? More stuff to do, more discussion, better. This place should have had something like francis did when he had nerr2babe. Something like that might keep the users busier. Also couldn’t the moderators have stopped some of this madness but they just sat back when they should have done something? It’s just ridiculous that “drama”, drama of all things had become illegal? Is this madness? Maybe if more action had been taken, no drama would have occurred? Wouldn’t that be common sense? Shouldn’t they have done something when people have flamed, trolled, etc? No, they usually participated. (I’m not really used to this, and I hope I’m not being too harsh. The forums I used to go to, had a lot better moderation team who worked quicker.)



I’m probably not the best person to say any of this, because I’m new, but I feel that the truth should be enforced.



I’ve read some parts of the Wiki, and I find more madness. I don’t really feel comfortable here any more, and I may leave this site. Though, I hope to come back one day, and maybe see the true meaning of what this place was supposed to be as said by Francis in SPM. It seems like this place may collapse but I hope not. That may be why there are so many people who register, and then they are usually inactive as I have seen all the people in the member list.

[Frozenwinters]

Off-Topic is the place where we get it out. If we don't act crazy there, then where are we suppose to act that way? General Discussion is a good place to go for people who are more serious and want to talk about interesting subjects. ( Although I find most of them dry and flamey. :/ ) I agree with the adult thing. Mods are too weak on the punishment when it comes to mature stuff. They SHOULD realize that we have underaged members here. >_>

Super Mario Galaxy was good at the time, but now it should just go into gaming. Super Smash Bros is necessary, because it's a popular game, and people still have a lot to post in it. Role-play off topic is the biggest forum on the site. If we get rid of it we pretty much killed ourselves, but the OT goers would probably be happy. Miyamojo is dead, I agree. Star Carnival still has it's purpose, even if It's not active.

Okay, our moderation team is seriously flawed. Mods are biased, which BTW is bad, you shouldn't want that. I think you meant they shouldn't be biased. They do break the rules, but you can't expect someone to be perfect all the time. This site has been around for more than a year, things have changed and we're used to different standards. We have other mods, but they are either inactive or don't do anything, and much rather be frolicking around like a normal member. We even have a rule list for things they are suppose to look for, and I've only seen one mod follow it so far. Mods always complain that they have too much work and nag nag nag, they really shouldn't be complaining, when they leave all their work on Lord Crump. A new moderation team isn't necessary. MORE mods maybe, but not throwing all the mods out. We already got rid of the loose strands.

The old digibutter WAS SPM. It was everything the game held. It was epic, we want it back, and it's our only little reason to be emo.

Francis is always thinking of things to make the site better. It takes him some time though. You can't just say you want something and have it magically appear. It takes work.

The wiki isn't really that bad if you read the right things.

[Almaz]

Ah hah hah...FINALLY someone I can actually reason with.

First of all, I have to thank you GREATLY for making this post. This site has definately deteriorated since the old days when Francis reminded us to always record the "Prance of the Unicorns" season 2 finale, or burn in eternal flamefire (that is SO going to be a catchphrase of mine now). I completely agree with you on all fronts.

As an ex-moderator, I know this: BEING A MOD IS MUCH EASIER THAN MODS SAY. Really, I did pretty much diddly as a mod, sans gave a few strikes and jailed Maya Fey for something Francis didn't find very bad (I still stick by my decision that 16-bit nudity is still really wrong and shouldn't be on a SPM site). Really, mods are lazy. However, that's because there are NO TRUE ESTABLISHED RULES. Sure, there's the list up there that supossedly establishes the rules, but many members (myself included, I'm certain) have exploited many loopholes. Mods are just either double-guessing themselves, or not being strict enough.

Now, as for the unnecessary forums, we can totally agree on that. Off-Topic I've wanted destroyed for a very long time, or at least cleaned and pressed to the point where it isn't totally disgusting and repulsive to look at. Smash Bros, MKWii, Miyamojo, Mario Galaxy...we don't need any of that. I say gaming should only have three categories: "News" "Nintendo" and "Super Paper Mario". Right now, the Brawl and MKWii forums are just being milked for all they're worth.

RPOT, which has been my sanctuary, should stay, though. It reflects the original style of the digibutter RPG's that I personally established and, with a little help and cleaning up and rules and regulations, could really actually grow into something great, and not just a dividing line for the site.

And I will especially agree with this: this site is no longer Super Paper Mario. It's Mario, Earthbound, Smash Bros, Phoenix Wright, and a couple other stuffs that really are...bleh. If we want to worship Mario RPG one day, that's okay. If we want to worship Donkey Kong Country, that's going a little too far, but is still generally acceptable. When we're worshiping Ness and Giygas and PINGAS and other online fads, we've gone over the line. We went over the line months ago.

Thank you again for making this post. You a truly a member among members. Unfortunately, it just seems digibutter is going for "Bigger and better", which the latter of which is in no way true. Hopefully, digibutter can raise from the ashes of its own idiocy and revive as an awesome Mario site.

[Yoshi]

Weegee, don't leave, it doesn't matter if you're new.

Because with that post, I love you already. Stay, or the fad promoted weegee will stare into your soul.

And off topic has mad cow disease, 'nuff said. Atleast RPOT isn't COMPLETELY random.

[Francis]

Thanks for the feedback, although you have only been here for one day. I assume you have been lurking for a long while, and then joined just to make this post?

[Super Postman]

My only beef with people saying the mods don't work, Most of the mods actually have lives. And on top of it all. you don't necessarily see EVERYTHING a moderator does.

On the subject of moderators Ill admit they can be biased. I for one like to think of myself somewhat a reformed spammer. I can name at least 3 instances where I should have been Jailed. One including my Famous "Singed Eyebrow" fiasco.

On a Side note Mister I, you did nothing as a moderator. Thats simply it. you barely used the muscle you should have. Nothing against ya personally but you were the probably the second most lenient mod.

off the subject of moderators WeeGee, Maybe you aren't giving the site a fair chance? Honestly Just lurking you aren't going to experience the joys this site has to offer. And excuse me for being harsh, but if you really have so many problems with the site, Stick around Rally some members and get some change done.... I mean isn't that the right thing to do? Instead of just complaining telling us we are wrong. Actions speak louder than words. and to be honest most people wont read your "wallo'text" you are preaching to mostly deaf ears unfortunately.

Off Topic Is my homeland.... and you have to realize that Off Topic is yes spam infested. but the beauty of off topic is yes the rules are a little lax there. Instead of General getting flooded (albeit general used to get flooded with opinion topics) with "pointless" posts Off topic works as a filter. and so does Blogs for that matter ( I myself not a fan of the "drama" rule. believe Drama topics should just be moved to blogs), To keep serious discussions and such in General. Off Topic Is its own community, as well as Role play Off Topic. and removing either of these backbone parts of the site, would just cause Chaos and massive displacement of Members.

you are obviously educated though, and if you do stick around Ill gladly fight for change by your side.

[Gold Prognosticus]

Weegee, you see problems and you aren't afraid to speak up. I respect you for that.

While I agree that the moderators can be biased (I've seen many topics that should've been locked) and that OT does contain content that is unsuitable for younger viewers, I disagree when you say there aren't enough features.

True, there are flaws within this community, but I'd encourage you to stay for a bit and see what this site truly has to offer.

Edit: One problem I have personally noticed is the number of avatars that are unsuitable for younger/underaged viewers. Sure under 13s aren't allowed to join, but the can still lurk the site and I don't think they should be bombarded with with 'mature' avatars.

[Super Hario]

I can say I actually agree with some of your points you made, yet others I don't. Francis isn't the quickest of admins to make new features, though he does make them, and they are usually quite enjoyable. Getting rid of Off-Topic, or RPOT, would kill the site faster than it's dying now. I do support getting rid of Super Mario Galaxy, and maybe Mario Kart Wii, maybe Miyamojo as well. I also think Tournaments and Star Carnival should be combined, also.

From experience, I can also tell you most of the mods simply do their job. I do concede that certain mods have some weaknesses, and they do need to become a little stricter on some subjects. Replacing the mod team wouldn't help, and I also agree with something Plastic has said time and time again: the mods are understaffed.

All in all, simply come around here more and post more often. As someone who has been here from the very beginning, watching the site grow from a simple forum to an advanced masterpiece of discussion, taking part in the features we have now, as well as the fads and discussion, would bring some of the ol' Nerr magic back, and Francis I'm sure is working hard to bring new features to the site and improve. Also, if you didn't know this, some of the spam in the forum is usually a fad near and dear to the site. If we locked/deleted the NEW International Union of Sloopy, there would be chaos, so shall we leave it there? Of course.

[Super Ultimario]

[Megamaw]

[Celeste Dimentia]

Friends don't let friends drink and drive. Friends should also not let friends SPAM or break the rules in any other way. If their job is more important than their reputation, which I'll actually put behind me if it just means I do my job properly. If people don't like me for it, I'll just have to live with it. It's just a shame because I like having friends. D:

So, real life has been very busy, with many things going on for me, and I apologize for all of the consequences any of my absences has had. When I am here, I do my best to do my job. Nobody's getting a free pass, because a crime's a crime, no matter what name goes with it, and such violations merit punishment. What I REALLY think we need right now, though, is a detailed rules/Code of Conduct to be approved by Francis and declared as the official rules of the site. The Moderation Team has worked on one for a long time in a joint effort to bring this to everyone, but Francis is the ultimate decider. The Code of Conduct is an immensely serious recommendation that I make to him, and I know there are others who agree wtih me. It would help EVERYONE.

The reason some Moderators are reluctant to strike is usually either A) They don't want to be thought as too strict or not liked for striking someone or B) They're not sure if something is, say, strikeworthy or not because the rules are somewhat vague, and we all have our own interpretation of things, such as spam. Off-Topic is definitely the most difficult place to manage. Everyone needs to help here, Moderators and non-Moderators alike. The Report feature is useful, but it's not replacing what we do. It's helping us with what we do. I at least do not just sit back all of the time. If I see something that merits punishment, consequences ensue as they should. But I apologize again if anyone thinks I'm just not a good Moderator, as much as I try. School's over for me now, so I can be here more often. And I am now not feeling too reluctant anymore to say that perhaps at least one more Moderator would be welcome. In my own personal opinion, at least.

That's all I have to say about that. =o

[Dragus]

All of my views have already been covered by the posts of other users here, and I'll spare you a useless post repeating their words. I also agree with Chaos Dimentio's opinion regarding additional moderation.

[Zelnor]

Okay, first of all, Wee Gee, thank you such a lot for posting this beautiful, well-worded and supported argument. If I'd done it, it would have been my usual "whining" but you as a new member can say this and will be - and have already been - taken seriously.

Off-Topic was previously called The Dump. It was like Off-Topic, only wor- no, wait, it was liek Off-Topic. We "nuked" it, had a party whilst doing so and then wanted to make it all better. Needless to say, it failed - it even spawned a clone, RPOT or Role-Play Off-Topic.

The mods... are members as well, and do their job like you do a job that is only digital.

The thing about Digibutter is, we're just about all teenagers here. And teenagers are - and I say that whilst being one myself - the most abhorrent, stuck-up bunch of wankers evolution spew out whilst screwing around the human lifecycle.

Psychologically, Puberty and the accompanying hormone rush, cause you to radically stumble in your view of yourself and the world, and subsequently go find your place again. This isn't done by yourself, but others - You break any border your parents, authorities or anyone else ever set you and do new things until you get kicked back behind your new borderline. You'll drink, demolish, detoriate and douchebagger, in extreme cases, or jsut be an ass.

And online, the G.I.F.T. is added to that. The GIFT is, for people unknowing, the Greater Internet F*ckwad Theory, which states that "Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience + TOTAL F*CKWAD" and it's dead right.

Therefore, don't expect too many people here to pull themselves together for too much time.

Spamming ? Lulz.
Fads ? Epic.
Your own fad ? Awesome.
Haruhi ? The pinancle of culture.
Foreign synonyms for "penis" ? Witty
Doing what I am doing right now ? Whininh, being a little wmo bitch wehilst not doing anything at all about it because I obviously have no life.
Good Grammar and Spelling ? The only remnants of the old Digi.

Welcome to Digibutter.
Postcount equals IQ and Power.


And yes, I am having a really sarcastic, snarky and overall bad day.


On a more professional note, I would like to continue my expedition into the teenage psyche, which is the mental equivalent of a Teletubbies episode mixed together with 10 pounds of cocaine and hardcore punk music shagging a knothole in Sigmund Freud's desk.

Most people here want others to show them their place, but the anonymity here prevents them from taking others seriously. You are words on a screen. I flick the switch, you are gone. Why should I respect you or your feelings, cre for you or try to understand your criticism ?

And, to be honest, this pissed me off to high hell, because, excuse my arrogance, another trait Off-Topic people say I possess, which, if I'm honest, becomes the more possible the more times I futilely try to make a differnce and metaphorically slap people, I don't do it and I'm no genius, so you can do it too, damnit.

Oh, and to frozenwinters comment about OT: There are many forums who have a spam forum and else serious forums; they believe the spam forum will draw all the spam to itself, members will spend their capacity for it there and no psma will leak out. Result: Spam is everywhere.

Other forums have harsh Anti-Spam rules. Creativity ensues. Any bashing or flames at least are well-thought out and done.

A spam forum only gives people a taste for more. Spam is considered cool because, oh yes, it is so witty and anarchic.

To me, it's a pointless waste of bandwith and filespace and writing "Throw rocks at me" with colored marker on your forehead. I nbornally would reserve that opinion to the little, Yahtzee-shaped troll inside the back of my mind, but I'm so fed up he's come out, and ironically my mental voice talks liek him whilst I type this which is f*cking hilarious.

The forum fusion, with that I agree. Seems logical.

RPOT... A clean-up is necessary. I personally prefer novel style for role-play, as it seems more sophisticated and, to me, honors the stories we try to make and jsut suits narrative better, but I can;t force people into my opinion.

Okay, break time is over... I have to leave. I conclude my post by saying: Thnak you Wee Gee, for shaking us up, and to all else: Let's get our asses up and make a change. We can do it, damn, we did it beofre but didn|t bother to preserve that Status Quo.

I love you, Digibutter, and I WILL fight for you.


And yes, of course I'm a stupid german emo kid with no life at all who only whines and does nothing.

I am ashamed I have sunken as low as to actually act as if I'm everyone's mom, but I'm betting desperate because I don't want this forum to take a trip down Shit Lane, which I fear it has, compared to it's origins, done already several times on a class trip.

Somebody tell me if I'm going over the top.

]]Sarcasm Sphere Self-Test Complete[[

[Wee Gee]

I should have probably said earlier, but I’ve been actually lurking for quite awhile. Yesterday, I spend most of my time on digibutter history, reading the wiki and now I know the past. I’ve also looked at just about every single post and those days seemed pretty good. I viewed Off-Topic, on every single page, every single post (yes I have a lot of time on my hands) and I sort of saw the same stuff, but I guess that’s how it is there. I guess I’ll have a better consideration of this site, and my chances of staying are quite higher.



I’ve actually seen all these features at other forums that I have gone too, like Boo’s Mansion and Nsider2: Coins, bank, stores, arcade, HP, MP, I’m used to that stuff. The tournaments could use some work and it may feel unique. As in the Wiki discussion of usergroups was there, and I thought it would be a good idea to bring it back for a day, and see what happens.



I actually meant non-biased moderators when I was speaking earlier. I probably felt that there were non-active moderators because there were about 6-9 moderators on forums like this, and they had the same amount of users. Though maybe increasing the amount of moderators will probably help this place.

[Chin Fish]