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Fat Tuper lovegod703
Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 5515
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:01 pm
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I've realized some answers about the world around us. (I have lots of time to think)
1) God is real. Believe what you want about this one, but I, personally believe in the Big Bang. BUT... How could the Big Bang have happened if there wasn't some supernatural being to create the explosion? I personally think that either God now just sits back, watching what it's creation becomes, OR that something happened to it and it no longer exists as a supernatural force
2) Aliens (life forms outer space, not immigrants) are also real. The Universe is infinite. There is NO chance that there isn't another planet out there that can and does support life besides Earth.
3) Heaven is real. Our souls can't just go into nothingness once we die. And Heaven can't be perfect. Our current lives ARE heaven. No matter how much you hate your life, it IS heaven. There is no way you can have perfection. If Heaven had nothing bad, we wouldn't know good things, therefore, we would always wish for something better. Since this is happening, I think that when you die and go to Heaven, you are reborn, just the way you were, and you live your life EXACTLY the way it was, but you don't remember the last time over and over and over again. Who's to say this isn't your ninth time on Earth? Sixteenth?
3.1) We are all nothing but pawns in eachother's lives here to guide us. If #3 is true, then no one can be in the same part of their lives at the same time. SO people talking to you are from different parts of THEIR lives brought to the time that you are living. (I know this part isn't clear, but I can't think of a way to clarify it.)
3.1.1) If #3.1 is true, then each TINIEST fraction of time is frozen, and people's souls are just jumping through them at different rates and different star/end points. For example:
This is a track showing where 3 people are in their lives. (just for an example of what COULD be happening)
| |=Moment in time | *=spirit of someone {/}- Start/End gates of someone
. | |{| |*| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |}| | | | | | | | | | | | | | . | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |{| | | |*| | | | |} {| | | | | | |*| | | | | | |}| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST WHAT I THINK FROM THE RESULT OF MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT LIFE. NO FLAMING, LIKE "HEY, THAT'S STUPID! IT GOES LIKE THIS," OR SPAMMING SUCH AS "WOW, THE LAST 2 GUYS HAVE REALLY SHORT LIVES," OR OTHER CRAP. THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense! Tyler Vampire
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 11410
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:19 pm
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Who says souls exist? |
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I TROL U Mantis15
Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 7743
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:22 pm
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Pokémoneinstein wrote: | How could the Big Bang have happened if there wasn't some supernatural being to create the explosion? | Atoms.
Seriously, the big bang was just a term. There was really no big explosion that just happened for no reason. The universe just...well...expanded from a crunched up state over the eons.
Thye also say after billions and billions of years, there'll be a reverse effect called "The Big Crunch" which will be the exact opposite of the big bang.
It began by basically atoms being crushed by the dense gravity before the big bang since then the galaxies were so clustered. After it, everything started drifting away. |
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Fat Tuper lovegod703
Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 5515
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:24 pm
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But the Universe started, and there is no explanation to how things became other than "it." |
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Logic King vg Vampire
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 2032
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:33 pm
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Just adding some thoughts here.
1. Your argument lies with the idea that something needed to start everything. You chose supernatural. What created this new being? This same argument can be used in both cases. Plus, if you look at the science, a singularity is possible, creating a big bang. Plus with proof of an expanding universe, I would lean towards believing that there can also be a big crunch, and that for us this could have happened before.
2. I agree that there is a high probability of life on other planets, but I can not say that there is ever a hundred, and in that same idea, zero percent chance of anything.
3. Like Tyler said, who said we have a soul? We have emotion, because it helped us survive. At a young age, we see things in a dualistic (soul and body are separate) viewpoint to explain how we think. With science, we learn how and why our emotions work.
None of this is intended to be flame-worthy, just a different viewpoint. |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:33 pm
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Hah... you know I'm tempted to write something biting on why I don't believe in god anymore. but honestly I don't need this to become a flamewar. Maybe my arguments are a little self centered but its something best not discussed.
I don't believe in time travel because I believe event second every possible outcome is recorded in an alternate universe. yup. Infinitely for every individual as every society as a whole. Imagine a universe with life without cars. or something as minor as loosing a coin flip. |
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I TROL U Mantis15
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:34 pm
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Pokémoneinstein wrote: | But the Universe started, and there is no explanation to how things became other than "it." | Maybe I made a mistake in my first post.
The time before the Bing Bang is called the "Augustinian era". During this era, time did not exist. It only existed after the big bang. During the time after the big bang, everything started coming together. |
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Fat Tuper lovegod703
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:37 pm
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Detective Gumshoe wrote: | Pokémoneinstein wrote: | But the Universe started, and there is no explanation to how things became other than "it." | Maybe I made a mistake in my first post.
The time before the Bing Bang is called the "Augustinian era". During this era, time did not exist. It only existed after the big bang. During the time after the big bang, everything started coming together. | I know what you mean. I'm saying, if nothing existed before the BigBang, what created it? No matter what the Big Bang came from, whether it be Atoms, a Pangaea sequence, or whatever it is, something created the cause of the Big Bang |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:04 pm
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Let's go part by part. I repsect that you have an opinion, but I can disagree and expose mine, can't I?
1) What confirms God is behind that all? It doens't have to be God, it could have been any sort of deity. Human race won't ever go so far as to find out the true reason, though. The reason for that will be right below.
2) Many intelligent people recognize that. I believe, as well, that many outer life forms are far better developed and desgined than we humans. They are probably far above the line of perfection, and they have their higher standards, as my theories says. How is that possible? It's far beyond our comprehension, much like various mysteries we won't ever dream to end up solving, yet they probably did. Maybe they have seen how we are like from distance, and they won't ever drop by for a visit, because we're under their standards. I'm probably never going to get that theory somewhere right, though, as I am a human and I'm far from unveiling a mystery of that sort.
3) Tyler beat me to saying it: What makes souls real? Besides, perfection IS achieveable, it's just we humans can't get to it. Believe me, if everything was perfect, we'd know it, because we'd have perfect intelligence and perfect notion that we live in perfection. But no, most of us are drop-dead dumb if we're taken to an intergalatic standard. Probably all of us are. Heaven isn't the term to be used, too; it's just one more sorry theory made by religion.
3.1) Yeah, that was rather unclear. But #3 isn't true on my view anyway.
3.1.1) I don't quite get this one across as well, but I don't agree with #3.1 anyway. |
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Fat Tuper lovegod703
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:17 pm
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CFH wrote: | Let's go part by part. I repsect that you have an opinion, but I can disagree and expose mine, can't I?
1) What confirms God is behind that all? It doens't have to be God, it could have been any sort of deity. Human race won't ever go so far as to find out the true reason, though. The reason for that will be right below.
2) Many intelligent people recognize that. I believe, as well, that many outer life forms are far better developed and desgined than we humans. They are probably far above the line of perfection, and they have their higher standards, as my theories says. How is that possible? It's far beyond our comprehension, much like various mysteries we won't ever dream to end up solving, yet they probably did. Maybe they have seen how we are like from distance, and they won't ever drop by for a visit, because we're under their standards. I'm probably never going to get that theory somewhere right, though, as I am a human and I'm far from unveiling a mystery of that sort.
3) Tyler beat me to saying it: What makes souls real? Besides, perfection IS achieveable, it's just we humans can't get to it. Believe me, if everything was perfect, we'd know it, because we'd have perfect intelligence and perfect notion that we live in perfection. But no, most of us are drop-dead dumb if we're taken to an intergalatic standard. Probably all of us are. Heaven isn't the term to be used, too; it's just one more sorry theory made by religion.
3.1) Yeah, that was rather unclear. But #3 isn't true on my view anyway.
3.1.1) I don't quite get this one across as well, but I don't agree with #3.1 anyway. |
Yes, you can. I welcome you to, and I would like it if you do
1) I believe I said "it" and "a God," didn't I? I could be wrong
2) I agree entirely
3) We wouldn't know good if there wasn't any bad. Without bad, we can't know good. Without good, we can't know bad. That's why we need the perfect balance that I mentioned in the first post
3.1 and 3.1.1.) If you don't believe in 3, then it's fine. I like to see other people's views on the world. |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:26 pm
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Pokémoneinstein wrote: | CFH wrote: | Let's go part by part. I repsect that you have an opinion, but I can disagree and expose mine, can't I?
1) What confirms God is behind that all? It doens't have to be God, it could have been any sort of deity. Human race won't ever go so far as to find out the true reason, though. The reason for that will be right below.
2) Many intelligent people recognize that. I believe, as well, that many outer life forms are far better developed and desgined than we humans. They are probably far above the line of perfection, and they have their higher standards, as my theories says. How is that possible? It's far beyond our comprehension, much like various mysteries we won't ever dream to end up solving, yet they probably did. Maybe they have seen how we are like from distance, and they won't ever drop by for a visit, because we're under their standards. I'm probably never going to get that theory somewhere right, though, as I am a human and I'm far from unveiling a mystery of that sort.
3) Tyler beat me to saying it: What makes souls real? Besides, perfection IS achieveable, it's just we humans can't get to it. Believe me, if everything was perfect, we'd know it, because we'd have perfect intelligence and perfect notion that we live in perfection. But no, most of us are drop-dead dumb if we're taken to an intergalatic standard. Probably all of us are. Heaven isn't the term to be used, too; it's just one more sorry theory made by religion.
3.1) Yeah, that was rather unclear. But #3 isn't true on my view anyway.
3.1.1) I don't quite get this one across as well, but I don't agree with #3.1 anyway. |
Yes, you can. I welcome you to, and I would like it if you do
1) I believe I said "it" and "a God," didn't I? I could be wrong
2) I agree entirely
3) We wouldn't know good if there wasn't any bad. Without bad, we can't know good. Without good, we can't know bad. That's why we need the perfect balance that I mentioned in the first post
3.1 and 3.1.1.) If you don't believe in 3, then it's fine. I like to see other people's views on the world. | 1) Well, I guess I haven't read it all that atentiously. But I can tell you, whether there is a deity or not, is not about to be found out by us humans.
3) Then again, it's not more good I'm talking about. I am referring to perfection. Something we will never have, but that probably is very common around life forms far across the universe. If we had perfection, we'd have a perfect idea of what is bad and a perfect idea that things are perfect. So maybe there is a "heaven" out there, but it doesn't belong to us. |
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Fat Tuper lovegod703
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:47 pm
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1) Well, I guess I haven't read it all that atentiously. But I can tell you, whether there is a deity or not, is not about to be found out by us humans.
3) Then again, it's not more good I'm talking about. I am referring to perfection. Something we will never have, but that probably is very common around life forms far across the universe. If we had perfection, we'd have a perfect idea of what is bad and a perfect idea that things are perfect. So maybe there is a "heaven" out there, but it doesn't belong to us.[/quote]
1) Yeah. There is no way "it" will be found by anything, unless "it" wants to be.
3) but not even amazing life-forms can know good without bad (or vice-versa), and perfection is extreme good or lack of anything bad. And as Plato thought, (and I believe, as well) Is that perfection belongs in another dimension. We are just models of the perfect ideas and forms in the realm with perfection, and that's how it will be forever. The realm with "it" is the only place with perfection, because "it" is a diety. |
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Logic King vg Vampire
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:58 pm
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We are good and bad because it has aided our survival. In populations with altruistic organisms, the selfish ones thrive. They all cheat each other and the cheaters begin to die off. A balance happens between the good, who come back, and the bad. The good also build up a defense against the bad, etc. good and bad is a method of survival |
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that confounded bridge Abstract Vampire
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2521
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:01 pm
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Since you posted your opinions, I suppose I'll post mine...
1) There may or may not be a "creating deity". The Big Bang may have been caused by a deity, but, it could just as easily have caused itself.
To back up the "scientific" theory:
Fold up a paper as much as you can, until you feel like you just cannot do it anymore. Let go of the paper. What happens? It "unfolds" itself. Now, one could say that their deity is the one who folded the paper, but, the "Big Compression" theory contradicts this. How? Well, the universe "unfolded" because of pressure. The pressure is so strong that the universe "springs" out, like an elastic. When you pull an elastic and let go, it springs back toward your hand, right? Now, imagine this "springing" motion forces a refolding. With these two theories in place, it can be assumed that the universe will "create" and "destroy" itself over and over again, without any help.
Of course, that's only an explanation of the theory, it in no way disproves the existence of supernatural beings.
2) Aliens? I never think of them, and, actually, I prefer not to... But, I do believe that there is other life. It may be as primitive as the archaea.
3) Who says that where we are now is Heaven? From my point of view, our existence on Earth is closer to an actual Hell. Why? Well, although Heaven isn't perfect, neither is Hell... And, look at Earth. It isn't all too happy.
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THE EYES ARE WATCHING! Super Crystal King
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:33 pm
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1. God is a silly, fictional being dreamed up by stupid humans who have an IQ of -5. 2. Before the Big Bang, there was another universe. To make a long story short, it imploded, and exploded to make our current universe. This process has been going on forever, and will still go on forever. 3. Heaven does not exist, and neither do souls. However, aliens and alternate universes do. Alternate universes, however, not exist at the same time. They are in different times, the universes before(and after?) ours. 4. Perfect does not exist. It is a point of view. 5. Good and evil do not exist. Negativity and positivity do. |
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