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CFH
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@Off-Topic: I prolly won't be around for Snake's discussion. Anyone up to open it?
Also, take that, triple, no, QUADRUPLE FINISH DISCUSSION
1st June - Mario
2nd June - Donkey Kong
3rd June - Link
4th June - Samus Aran
5th June - Kirby
6th June - Fox McCloud
7th June - Pikachu
8th June - Marth
9th June - Mr. Game & Watch
10th June - Luigi
11th June - Diddy Kong
12th June - Princess Zelda and Sheik
13th June - Pit
14th June - Meta Knight
15th June - Falco Lombardi
16th June - Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard and Pokémon Trainer overall
17th June - Ike
18th June - Solid Snake
19th June - Princess Peach
20th June - Yoshi
21st June - Ganondorf
22nd June - Ice Climbers
23rd June - King Dedede
24th June - Wolf O'Donnel
25th June - Lucario
26th June - Ness
27th June - Sonic the Hedgehog
28th June - Bowser
29th June - Wario
30th June - Toon Link
1st July - Robotic Operating Buddy
2nd July - Captain Olimar and Pikmin
3rd July - Captain Falcon
4th July - Jigglypuff
5th July - Lucas
So, for today, we'll be discussion the Pokémon Trainer overall, and each of his Pokémon individually as well.
So, what are the strong points of each Pokémon? Which is tghe best, in your opinion? Which is the most effective way to switch between the trio? Does the stamina gauge ocasionally get on your way? |
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Small Sammer Guy
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IMO, Pokemon Trainer is one of the BEST character in the game IF used right (like taking advantage of ALL THREE Pokemon)
I practiced with all three Pokemon and I must say, he is really good if I take advantage of the 3 pokemons.
Heres why I think he's great:
Lets say your fighting...a Marth. If Ivysaur was his own character, he'd have trouble fighting him. BUT you have Squirtle and Charizard, so switch to either one of them, and you have the advantage. Or your next foe is a Bowser, Use Ivysaur.
Simply, Pokemon Trainer has all the advantages for all characters, unlike every other character.
I use Pokemon Trainer too and he's probably my 6th best character. The order I use is Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.
Ivysaur is my damage racker, Charizard is my finisher and damage racker, and Squirtle would be my finisher/comboer.
So I'd say Charizard is the MOST useful out of the three. He has so many potentials.
As for the stamina gauge, it doesn't matter to me now after reading this:
| Quote: | An article in previous Famitsu issue stated the following about Pokemon Stamina;
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Originally Posted by Famitsu
Pokemon get tired after 2 minutes, even if you use special moves.
This is actually completely FALSE. (Actually it bears a slight truth... but anyways)
I have done some thorough testing on the P.Trainer stamina amongst the Pokemon and I will share my results.
Firstly; Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard all have the same Stamina (even though you would expect Charizard to have more… guess he doesn’t do his exercise!). Like Famitsu stated, they all have their own individual 2:00 minute stamina meter.
****** Important! ******
Whenever a fresh Pokemon is sent in, the Pokemon will have exactly 2:00 minutes until they become tired and fatigued. Here is the catch though; Whenever the Pokemon performs a Smash Attack, Aerial Attack, Special Move, or Tilt Attacks, exactly 0:01 second will be removed from the Pokemon’s current 2:00 timer. Running, Walking, Jumping, and Throwing your opponent has no effect on the timer.
For example: Let’s say I do a 5:00 minute timed match and send in Squirtle. If I stand completely still, when the match timer reaches exactly 3:00 minutes (thus 2:00 minutes have passed), Squirtle will show signs of fatigue. Restart the match with the same rules but this time make Squirtle perform 20 Smash attacks in a row (which according to my data would be -20 seconds to Squirtles Stamina). When the match timer reaches exactly 3:20 minutes (thus 1:40 minutes have passed), Squirtle will show signs of fatigue.
How can you tell when a Pokemon is tired?
Well that is actually pretty easy. The Pokemon’s idle pose changes to a fatigued pose. Actually you might not even notice your Pokemon is fatigued if you are always moving, so it’s important to pay attention!
Squirtle: Leans over onto his front hands.
Ivysaur: Her bulb sulks down towards the side.
Charizard: Lowers his head and his wings drop a little.
What are the down-sides to using a fatigued Pokemon?
From what I could tell, there is absolutely no drop in movement or attack speed when a Pokemon is fatigued. The biggest down-side to being fatigued though is every damaging attack a Pokemon does, is severely weakened both in damage percent (%) and in knock-back. Generally, while fatigued every attack does at least 3% less damage than usual. I have taken damage data and they will be posted in the individual Pokemon sections.
Even though the P.Trainer’s Pokemon do less damage, they are still able to fight pretty much the same, since there isn’t really a speed drop.
How do I recover my Pokemon when it’s tired?
Switching out your Pokemon and fighting with the other 2 will allow it to recover from its fatigued status. But it is not instantaneous, it takes time to recover. You cannot get a Fatigued Squirtle, switch to Ivysaur, switch to Charizard, and switch to Squirtle and expect for Squirtle to have 2 minutes of fresh fighting.
From my testing, the exact formula for recovering stamina is;
0:01 second of bench-time = 0:02 seconds of stamina restored.
Basically what this means is that if you have a fatigued Pokemon, it will take exactly 1:00 minute in order to fully restore its stamina. It should also be noted, that the amount of time that a Pokemon is tired has NO EFFECT on how long it takes to recover Stamina. What I mean by that is, if you keep a Pokemon fatigued for 20:00 minutes, it will still take only 1:00 minute of bench-time in order to recover back to the full 2:00 minute stamina timer.
Can I only send out a Pokemon when it is at full stamina?
No. You can send out a Pokemon when its stamina is at any amount. Obviously though, the Pokemon will become fatigued sooner than expected.
Can I have more than 2:00 minutes of stamina?
No. A Pokemon’s stamina can never surpass 2:00 minutes. On the other hand, a Pokemon’s stamina can never go below 0:00 seconds into the negatives. This makes for quick and speedy recoveries, no matter how long you stay in fatigued.
Is there any delay upon quickly switching between the 3 Pokemon?
Actually... Originally I believed that there was. But there is in fact almost very little or no delay or cool-down for the Pokemon Change move. It is possible to continuously rotate through the 3 Pokemon without any cool-down on the ability. There is actually a 0.5 second delay from when you gain control of your Pokemon, until when you can use Pokemon Change once more. It is hardly anything that disrupts the flow of 'skipping' a Pokemon in the chain. It is even somewhat possible to skip a Pokemon as an opponent is flying towards a guaranteed K.O. If done quick enough, you can safely use Pokemon Change twice before the opponent can reach you after respawn. To know how long 0.5 seconds is, its about the amount of time it takes for the Standing to Crouching animation for the Pokemon to finish. So you can actually Hit Pokemon Change, then continue holding down, and when the next Pokemon comes out as soon as their crouching animation ends, hit B again for the second Pokemon Change.
Can Pokemon Change be used while in the Air?
Unfortunately... No. |
(C) to http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142987
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156038
^for Type advantages for all characters |
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Lifeless Intellectual
Crappy Shifty Luigi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:16 pm
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| Small Sammer Guy wrote: | IMO, Pokemon Trainer is one of the BEST character in the game IF used right (like taking advantage of ALL THREE Pokemon)
I practiced with all three Pokemon and I must say, he is really good if I take advantage of the 3 pokemons.
Heres why I think he's great:
Lets say your fighting...a Marth. If Ivysaur was his own character, he'd have trouble fighting him. BUT you have Squirtle and Charizard, so switch to either one of them, and you have the advantage. Or your next foe is a Bowser, Use Ivysaur.
Simply, Pokemon Trainer has all the advantages for all characters, unlike every other character.
I use Pokemon Trainer too and he's probably my 6th best character. The order I use is Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.
Ivysaur is my damage racker, Charizard is my finisher and damage racker, and Squirtle would be my finisher/comboer.
So I'd say Charizard is the MOST useful out of the three. He has so many potentials.
As for the stamina gauge, it doesn't matter to me now after reading this:
| Quote: | An article in previous Famitsu issue stated the following about Pokemon Stamina;
Quote:
Originally Posted by Famitsu
Pokemon get tired after 2 minutes, even if you use special moves.
This is actually completely FALSE. (Actually it bears a slight truth... but anyways)
I have done some thorough testing on the P.Trainer stamina amongst the Pokemon and I will share my results.
Firstly; Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard all have the same Stamina (even though you would expect Charizard to have more… guess he doesn’t do his exercise!). Like Famitsu stated, they all have their own individual 2:00 minute stamina meter.
****** Important! ******
Whenever a fresh Pokemon is sent in, the Pokemon will have exactly 2:00 minutes until they become tired and fatigued. Here is the catch though; Whenever the Pokemon performs a Smash Attack, Aerial Attack, Special Move, or Tilt Attacks, exactly 0:01 second will be removed from the Pokemon’s current 2:00 timer. Running, Walking, Jumping, and Throwing your opponent has no effect on the timer.
For example: Let’s say I do a 5:00 minute timed match and send in Squirtle. If I stand completely still, when the match timer reaches exactly 3:00 minutes (thus 2:00 minutes have passed), Squirtle will show signs of fatigue. Restart the match with the same rules but this time make Squirtle perform 20 Smash attacks in a row (which according to my data would be -20 seconds to Squirtles Stamina). When the match timer reaches exactly 3:20 minutes (thus 1:40 minutes have passed), Squirtle will show signs of fatigue.
How can you tell when a Pokemon is tired?
Well that is actually pretty easy. The Pokemon’s idle pose changes to a fatigued pose. Actually you might not even notice your Pokemon is fatigued if you are always moving, so it’s important to pay attention!
Squirtle: Leans over onto his front hands.
Ivysaur: Her bulb sulks down towards the side.
Charizard: Lowers his head and his wings drop a little.
What are the down-sides to using a fatigued Pokemon?
From what I could tell, there is absolutely no drop in movement or attack speed when a Pokemon is fatigued. The biggest down-side to being fatigued though is every damaging attack a Pokemon does, is severely weakened both in damage percent (%) and in knock-back. Generally, while fatigued every attack does at least 3% less damage than usual. I have taken damage data and they will be posted in the individual Pokemon sections.
Even though the P.Trainer’s Pokemon do less damage, they are still able to fight pretty much the same, since there isn’t really a speed drop.
How do I recover my Pokemon when it’s tired?
Switching out your Pokemon and fighting with the other 2 will allow it to recover from its fatigued status. But it is not instantaneous, it takes time to recover. You cannot get a Fatigued Squirtle, switch to Ivysaur, switch to Charizard, and switch to Squirtle and expect for Squirtle to have 2 minutes of fresh fighting.
From my testing, the exact formula for recovering stamina is;
0:01 second of bench-time = 0:02 seconds of stamina restored.
Basically what this means is that if you have a fatigued Pokemon, it will take exactly 1:00 minute in order to fully restore its stamina. It should also be noted, that the amount of time that a Pokemon is tired has NO EFFECT on how long it takes to recover Stamina. What I mean by that is, if you keep a Pokemon fatigued for 20:00 minutes, it will still take only 1:00 minute of bench-time in order to recover back to the full 2:00 minute stamina timer.
Can I only send out a Pokemon when it is at full stamina?
No. You can send out a Pokemon when its stamina is at any amount. Obviously though, the Pokemon will become fatigued sooner than expected.
Can I have more than 2:00 minutes of stamina?
No. A Pokemon’s stamina can never surpass 2:00 minutes. On the other hand, a Pokemon’s stamina can never go below 0:00 seconds into the negatives. This makes for quick and speedy recoveries, no matter how long you stay in fatigued.
Is there any delay upon quickly switching between the 3 Pokemon?
Actually... Originally I believed that there was. But there is in fact almost very little or no delay or cool-down for the Pokemon Change move. It is possible to continuously rotate through the 3 Pokemon without any cool-down on the ability. There is actually a 0.5 second delay from when you gain control of your Pokemon, until when you can use Pokemon Change once more. It is hardly anything that disrupts the flow of 'skipping' a Pokemon in the chain. It is even somewhat possible to skip a Pokemon as an opponent is flying towards a guaranteed K.O. If done quick enough, you can safely use Pokemon Change twice before the opponent can reach you after respawn. To know how long 0.5 seconds is, its about the amount of time it takes for the Standing to Crouching animation for the Pokemon to finish. So you can actually Hit Pokemon Change, then continue holding down, and when the next Pokemon comes out as soon as their crouching animation ends, hit B again for the second Pokemon Change.
Can Pokemon Change be used while in the Air?
Unfortunately... No. |
(C) to http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142987
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=156038
^for Type advantages for all characters |
IMO, Ivysaur is my favorite, but as you stated, SSG, Charizard DOES have potentials, and Squirtle isn't very good for me, considering he doesn't have useful special moves. Charizard is one of the three pokemon that I hope to overuse and score hopefully 3 KO's out of it. And posting that quote has altered my strategy to win with them. Hopefully it will be much easier. |
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THE BIRTHDAY GIRL
King Harkinian
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:14 pm
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Pokemon Trainer has some of the best attacks ingame. |
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Para
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Squirtle alone is a beast. Water Gun isn't the most useful in the game, but his other attacks make up for it. His up A smash has one of the largest character size:attack range ratios, making it incredibly easy to use.
Ivysaur is probably my least favorite of the group, but is still quite powerful when used correctly. Bullet Seed can set up multiple opponents for a combo, and keeps dealing steady damage.
Charizard, being the powerhouse of the group, carries the most powerful arsenal of attacks. Rock Smash is (dare I say) super effective in close quarters, and it's hella useful in Boss Battles. However, in the wrong hands, it can be easily spammed. |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:45 pm
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Squirtle: Totally awesome, unless you're a B spammer.
Ivysaur: Great smashes and very balanced moves.
Charizard: RAWR IMMA SPAM ROCK SMASH >:( |
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hai
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:32 pm
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| Tyler wrote: | Squirtle: Totally awesome, unless you're a B spammer.
Ivysaur: Great smashes and very balanced moves.
Charizard: RAWR IMMA SPAM ROCK SMASH > |
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Super SlimeKnight
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:56 pm
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I use squrtle a lot, thanks to SSE. Ivysaur's up smash is lethal. Charizard is like a Bowser with wings. |
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CFH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:57 pm
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@Off Topic: Hario is making Snake's discussion.
Back on topic...
| SlimeKnight wrote: | | I use squrtle a lot, thanks to SSE. Ivysaur's up smash is lethal. Charizard is like a Bowser with wings. |
They do have considerable differences. Bowser lacks something as pwnsome as Charizard's B-Side, for example.
As nobody seemed to answer this one here: When is it the best time to switch out, IYO? |
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Small Sammer Guy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:09 pm
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| CFH wrote: | | As nobody seemed to answer this one here: When is it the best time to switch out, IYO? |
Technicaly I already answered it...
First, the switch time takes WAAAAY too much and it lags a bit afterwords, so in the middle of a battle would be a bad idea to switch.
First see the character and then switch to the one that has the advantage.
Or first send out your best pokemon, and after KOing that opponent, switch to your next pokemon so 1. The current pokemon can heal its stamina and 2. it gives you time to switch and not get hurt while the opponent is coming back after being KOed |
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