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DarkBlueAce
Louis
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 Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:34 pm
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| Geno wrote: | I'll get it once I save up $70, because I REALLY WANT THE COLLECTOR'S EDITION.
I got the game exactly 9 days ago. And I'm addicted. I didn't think I would be, but I totally am. I play with 2 other friends, so it's sort-of fun when we're not arguing about Need/Greed.
I'm currently a LV23 Draenei pally. My one friend is a 25 Night Elf warrior, and the other is a 31 Human mage.
The one that plays the Night Elf thinks he can agro as much stuff as he wants and live, and I'm always stuck healing him as he runs away, only to have the mobs see me and then kill me... He's just an idiot.
I really hope someone here plays on Greymane, because it'd be epic to play with some of you guys. |
I don't, but that shouldn't stop us from getting 5 members to all make new toons together.  And especially awesome if we're all the same race that way we can have a 5-man simultaneous level-up. |
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hai
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:42 am
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I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:03 pm
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| Spiny wrote: | I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
And how long did you play before abandoning WoW? |
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hai
Spiny
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:07 pm
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| Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
And how long did you play before abandoning WoW? |
Two weeks. |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
Werewolf
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:10 pm
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| Spiny wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
And how long did you play before abandoning WoW? |
Two weeks. |
Oh, my, that is some slooooooow leveling. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:11 pm
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| Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
And how long did you play before abandoning WoW? |
Two weeks. |
Oh, my, that is some slooooooow leveling. |
I'll agree with this. It should take only an hour or two to get a character from 1-10. Even faster when questing with somebody. |
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hai
Spiny
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:56 pm
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| Cid wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | Spiny wrote: | I have three characters on one server, but they're all low level due to me abandoning WoW until litterally two days ago.
I have a
Gwonam(Yes, named after THAT Gwonam)-Level 5 Human Mage
Windallus-Level 7 Blood Elf Warlock
Mezmerane-Level 5 Undead Mage
Yes, I like magic users.>_> |
And how long did you play before abandoning WoW? |
Two weeks. |
Oh, my, that is some slooooooow leveling. |
I'll agree with this. It should take only an hour or two to get a character from 1-10. Even faster when questing with somebody. |
Should I also mention I
A)Wasn't obsessed with the game yet
B)Feared open endedness(I didn't want to waste an hour just trying to figure out where the *crag* I am, and I always forget the world map even exists.) |
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lightening
Anti-Guy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:44 am
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...C-c-c-c-combobreaker!...
...but seriously, I would have enjoyed WoW much more when I used to play it if they didn't kill off every important character in Warcraft...
...but related on-topic, I really dont like the general idea of a MMORPG...
...the idea just strikes me as strange with how the leveling up in the einging is 10 levels in a hour and stuff, 40 gnomes killing someone as powerful as Illidan, let alone Saergaras >.>...
~White Shy Guy |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:09 pm
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| Anti-Guy wrote: | ...C-c-c-c-combobreaker!...
...but seriously, I would have enjoyed WoW much more when I used to play it if they didn't kill off every important character in Warcraft...
...but related on-topic, I really dont like the general idea of a MMORPG...
...the idea just strikes me as strange with how the leveling up in the einging is 10 levels in a hour and stuff, 40 gnomes killing someone as powerful as Illidan, let alone Saergaras >.>...
~White Shy Guy |
Most of the characters from Warcraft III are in WoW. Sargeras isn't in the game (Kil'jaeden is, however), and an all-gnome group couldn't possibly take on Illidan and win. |
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lightening
Anti-Guy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:12 pm
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| Cid wrote: | | Anti-Guy wrote: | ...C-c-c-c-combobreaker!...
...but seriously, I would have enjoyed WoW much more when I used to play it if they didn't kill off every important character in Warcraft...
...but related on-topic, I really dont like the general idea of a MMORPG...
...the idea just strikes me as strange with how the leveling up in the einging is 10 levels in a hour and stuff, 40 gnomes killing someone as powerful as Illidan, let alone Saergaras >.>...
~White Shy Guy |
Most of the characters from Warcraft III are in WoW. Sargeras isn't in the game (Kil'jaeden is, however), and an all-gnome group couldn't possibly take on Illidan and win. |
...I used gnome as a example, not a actual comparison...
...and yes, I meant Kil'Jaeden...
...but he is equivalent to the power of Archimonde, whereas some consider him to be stronger, and the armies of the Humans, Orc's and Night elves were neaded to merely hold Archimonde of for an hour while the trap was being set...
...Illidan is killed, as is Kael, and (maybe) Lady Vashj, Kil'Jaeden, and Kel'Thuzad, and (i believe)Arthas...
...That is basically the entire party of important characters D:... |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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WoW is essentially finishing off the story started in Warcraft III by killing off Illidan and Arthas- Kil'jaeden was merely "defeated" at the end of the Burning Crusade, however. Now, if WoW is supposed to be the end of the Warcraft saga, it seems only logical that all the big baddies would fall, and Kil'jaeden may return for one final battle later on. Or, they could be killing off some of the important characters, but leaving some others alive (Kil'jaeden) for a possible sequel. There are so many key figures that have yet to be explored in WoW- such as Azshara, or the Old Gods (Except for C'thun.)
They aren't going to run out of lore or ideas for expansion packs or sequels any time soon. |
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lightening
Anti-Guy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:15 pm
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...yes, there are characters that are yet to be explored, but to just say, oh, these immensely powerful beings fought and made war, but 3 years later they were killed by random gnomes and draeni?...
...Warcraft tells stories of epic beings, which have endings so seemingly random?...
...If Illidan spent 10,000years in Maeiv's prisons without going insane, how did he randomly do so in The Outlands?... |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Anti-Guy wrote: | ...yes, there are characters that are yet to be explored, but to just say, oh, these immensely powerful beings fought and made war, but 3 years later they were killed by random gnomes and draeni?...
...Warcraft tells stories of epic beings, which have endings so seemingly random?...
...If Illidan spent 10,000years in Maeiv's prisons without going insane, how did he randomly do so in The Outlands?... |
Eh, Illidan seemed like nothing more than a simple plot device in Warcraft III, and it's weird how he was seen as so unique and complex, but anyway.
Like the old Warcraft strategy games had important 'hero' characters, the high-level, well-seasoned player characters in WoW are WoW's 'heroes.' Inevitably, new heroes will arise to battle evil when the old ones either can't or have fallen- and a T6, level-70 warrior certainly isn't a random player. Only around 5% or less of the WoW players have made it to BT or SWP, so there's still the 'glory' and feeling of accomplishment. These are no ordinary, green-geared players; these are the 'heroes.'
The BT and SWP bosses are incredibly hard and epic, and it takes alot of hard work and determination to even be eligible to fight them. These aren't weak, ordinary characters, you know. So, even though WoW may be pretty easy overall, the BEST (And most important) content is reserved for the elite players. |
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lightening
Anti-Guy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:01 pm
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...Illidan, plot device?...
...Illidan one of the crucial aspects of Warcraft...
...if you call a character a plot deviece, then arent they all, just adding to the plot, and thus have no more purpose once they work functionally?...
...so it is to say that these 'heroes' of WoW are capable of taking someone of ridiculous proportions...
...Kil'Jaeden was the left-hand of a TITAN...
...and these 'heroes' are just to slay him, in one mroe raid, one mroe quest...
...and Arthas, fused with the Lich King, Overlord of the Scourge, it to just be randomly in a raid and await his demise?...
...these people became epic because of their cleverness, not of Brute strength(such as say Magtheridon) when one does indeed rely on strength alone, they get out strategized...
...so your saying that after 10,000 years of waiting, in a short twenty years Illiidan just gets lazy...
~White Shy Guy |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:23 pm
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| Anti-Guy wrote: | ...Illidan, plot device?...
...Illidan one of the crucial aspects of Warcraft...
...if you call a character a plot deviece, then arent they all, just adding to the plot, and thus have no more purpose once they work functionally?... |
Illidan was not very interesting. He may be important, but he isn't as directly important as the Lich King, Sargeras, or others.
| Quote: | ...so it is to say that these 'heroes' of WoW are capable of taking someone of ridiculous proportions...
...Kil'Jaeden was the left-hand of a TITAN...
...and these 'heroes' are just to slay him, in one mroe raid, one mroe quest... |
Kil'jaeden wasn't killed. But, anyway, again, the storyline is told in the form of quests. "One more quest" is the equivalent of one more campaign mission in Warcraft III, only on a smaller scale. In the end, they all add up, and if you want to pay attention, you'll know that there is a reason, lore-wise, for raiding these dungeons (Besides the main player motivation of getting more loot.)
| Quote: | | ...and Arthas, fused with the Lich King, Overlord of the Scourge, it to just be randomly in a raid and await his demise?... |
It isn't like Arthas is just sitting in a dungeon waiting to be killed. Lore-wise, he's present everywhere- whether it be the armies in the plaguelands, or the "Shadow of the Necropolis" event or whatever it was called. Needless to say, if you pay attention to the game, you'll know that these villains pose a constant threat, especially in later levels. Saying that they are just "waiting to be slain" is a grotesque simplification of what is actually going on. Strictly gameplay-wise, yes, they carry alot of fine loot, and that is the primary bait for players to fight them. However, there is reasoning to back up killing them on the lore side of things, as well.
| Quote: | ...so your saying that after 10,000 years of waiting, in a short twenty years Illiidan just gets lazy...
~White Shy Guy |
Nah, they decided to throw Illidan away because he was more cliched than the other characters and wasn't very interesting compared to other major characters in the lore, anyway. They did this by making him go insane and proclaiming himself "King of Outland." Really, he probably wouldn't have been much more interesting, otherwise; I didn't see him going too far with The Burning Legion and the new Lich King, anyway (And these guys aren't being randomly thrown away like Illidan. They're present in the plot to a much greater extent, and that's a good thing, because they're far more interesting, as well.)
But, again, as I'm saying, there's reason for killing the major bosses in WoW, and a semi-plot to back them up as well. Just because players are motivated into killing them because of the loot doesn't mean that their lore is nonexistant. It may not be the greatest lore, but it isn't flat-out terrible. |
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