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Super Maiq the Liar
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 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:46 pm
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| Cid wrote: | | Popple wrote: | No not really.
All it has is the creation aspect, that's it.
There is no deep enriching experience here. |
This kind of game doesn't need plot or a linear campaign to make it a deep and enriching experience. It's about endless content and discovery- and if that's not your thing, it still doesn't make it crap.
| Quote: | | It's just Sims with a bad ass creator mode and some shit RTS thrown in. |
It isn't just RTS.
The cell and creature phases obviously play very, very differently, and Civilization is more "SimCity," whereas Tribal is more "Warcraft."
Plus, you're confusing "shit" with "shortness." None of the phases are bad, it's just that they're short. It may be a short game, but the replayability and constantly new content is what makes it worth playing. Star Fox 64 is a short game that you can beat in a couple of hours, but it's fun enough to play over and over again. That's the type of game that Spore is. |
M'aiq thinks you may be overreacting a tad. It is Popple's opinion on the game, there's no reason to get so up-in-arms. |
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Popple
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:55 pm
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| Maiq the Liar wrote: | | Cid wrote: | | Popple wrote: | No not really.
All it has is the creation aspect, that's it.
There is no deep enriching experience here. |
This kind of game doesn't need plot or a linear campaign to make it a deep and enriching experience. It's about endless content and discovery- and if that's not your thing, it still doesn't make it crap.
| Quote: | | It's just Sims with a bad ass creator mode and some shit RTS thrown in. |
It isn't just RTS.
The cell and creature phases obviously play very, very differently, and Civilization is more "SimCity," whereas Tribal is more "Warcraft."
Plus, you're confusing "shit" with "shortness." None of the phases are bad, it's just that they're short. It may be a short game, but the replayability and constantly new content is what makes it worth playing. Star Fox 64 is a short game that you can beat in a couple of hours, but it's fun enough to play over and over again. That's the type of game that Spore is. |
M'aiq thinks you may be overreacting a tad. It is Popple's opinion on the game, there's no reason to get so up-in-arms. |
Look. I'm going to give you a *crag* chance to stop talking Cid.
There are few people on this forum that are into real strategy games, and if you just want to stop talking I'll happily abolige.
Spore is not a good game, Spore is like a good game creator.
If I could just take that creator and build a game around it, like LittleBigPlanet, this would be the best game ever.
The problem is though that Will Wright tried to slap his casual strategy bullshit onto an amazing creation engine, and it doesn't mix well.
The man has no business making a *crag* RTS game, and it shows. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:17 pm
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| Maiq the Liar wrote: | | Cid wrote: | | Popple wrote: | No not really.
All it has is the creation aspect, that's it.
There is no deep enriching experience here. |
This kind of game doesn't need plot or a linear campaign to make it a deep and enriching experience. It's about endless content and discovery- and if that's not your thing, it still doesn't make it crap.
| Quote: | | It's just Sims with a bad ass creator mode and some shit RTS thrown in. |
It isn't just RTS.
The cell and creature phases obviously play very, very differently, and Civilization is more "SimCity," whereas Tribal is more "Warcraft."
Plus, you're confusing "shit" with "shortness." None of the phases are bad, it's just that they're short. It may be a short game, but the replayability and constantly new content is what makes it worth playing. Star Fox 64 is a short game that you can beat in a couple of hours, but it's fun enough to play over and over again. That's the type of game that Spore is. |
M'aiq thinks you may be overreacting a tad. It is Popple's opinion on the game, there's no reason to get so up-in-arms. |
I'm not the one who started the arguement, nor am I the one who's overreacting or making it personal. I merely posted the same opinion on the game that I posted on other sites. This was the lone Spore thread, and since it's pointless and spammy to make a thread about each individual person's opinion on the game, I took it as a general thread.
But, *crag*, if someone wants to hold an intelligent debate, I'll happily take 'em on. And, again, I'm not overreacting- just because you're debating an opinion doesn't mean it has to be personal, or angry. Of course, that isn't as easily understood by some as it is for others. Unfortunately, that's when arguements go into the "personal" or "overreacting" territories.
| Quote: | | Look. I'm going to give you a *crag* chance to stop talking Cid. |
If you're not willing to debate others who disagree with you, then don't post an opinion that you know some people are going to disagree with you on.
Better yet, if you're not willing to debate, don't start one by responding in disagreeance with someone who posted the opposite opinion.
| Quote: | | There are few people on this forum that are into real strategy games, and if you just want to stop talking I'll happily abolige. |
No, instead, back up your opinion like I did, and then I'll stop talking. As I said, it isn't a strategy game alone- it's a bunch of genres in one, and you've failed to acknowledge that. The WoW/Diablo-ish Creature stage certainly isn't what one would call "strategy."
| Quote: | | Spore is not a good game, Spore is like a good game creator. |
Whether it falls into the traditional definition of what a game is doesn't matter.
It's pure, simple fun, and it has enough replay value and it's deep enough in terms of content to come back and play again. As I said, it's like Starfox 64. And I would happily by more games with the same "it's short, but it's fun and addictive enough to keep on coming back for more" philosophy.
What you're confusing it for is some third-party Wii crap, which doesn't have enough depth or replay value to warrant an actual purchase.
| Quote: | | If I could just take that creator and build a game around it, like LittleBigPlanet, this would be the best game ever. |
I've stated that LittleBigPlanet looks far more pointless than Spore before, but that arguement's for another time and place.
The fact of the matter is, there is a game to be found in Spore. Or, rather, a bunch of short games. But those games manage to be just good enough to generate replay value. Again, I point to Starfox 64's incredibly short length, but its "arcade style" replayability.
There's always something new to be found when replaying the game. And that's the glory of it.
| Quote: | | The problem is though that Will Wright tried to slap his casual strategy bullshit onto an amazing creation engine, and it doesn't mix well. |
I'm no fan of extremely casual games, either. But Will Wright has made some great games in the past, and, as I said, it's a matter of taste- The Sims and SimCity are considered good games by many, and yet they're casual.
There's a difference between "Will Wright" casual and "Wii Play" casual.
| Quote: | | The man has no business making a *crag* RTS game, and it shows. |
How could it show? You said that you aren't buying the game, and because of that, you're seemingly basing your arguements against mine on a bunch of 8/10 and 9/10 reviews (Which, averaged together, is a solid B+, mind you), while only concentrating on the criticisms and drawbacks mentioned in those reviews, instead of the good things it has to offer. |
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Popple
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:56 pm
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I don't *crag* read reviews unless they are posted on Giant Bomb or Kotaku because they seem to have their shit together.
I watch video reviews and gameplay footage to base my opinions on games I haven't played, and you have confirmed everything I said.
You said Spore is a bunch of genre's combined in one, and you talk like this is a value add.
Will Wright has not ever, ever made a good strategy game or any other kind of hardcore game for that matter. He makes casual games, and that's what Spore is. A fun little time waster that just happens to have one of the best creation engines ever made packed in.
But then again you could just go buy it for ten dollars and save yourself for money.
Let's face it, Spore is a strategy game. You can preach about how the Creature and Cell stages are different, but in the grand scheme of the game it really doesn't matter. Especially when you consider that the Cell stage is *crag* Flow.
The problem with Spore is that it has a broad scope that is *crag* condesed so that it's easy enough for anyone to play.
Spore is not a deep game, Spore is not an engaging game.
Spore is about watching your creations come to life, and watching is probably the most fun you will have.
LittleBigPlanet is better in the fact that you can actually *crag* interact with the world you have built and it actually gives you objectives and a shit load of options to create and play the game you want to play.
Spore is about the creation.
LittleBigPlanet is about the game.
That is the distinction that will make LBP better. Because it's about creating the game world, not the little details around it. |
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Manpersonguything
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:27 pm
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GAWD i love spore. I made a group. check it out. |
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My soul hurts.
Victor
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:56 am
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I got it but my graphics card is sub standard. >__> |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:41 pm
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Yeah, honestly... Spore is trying to be too much. I'd want this game, but it just seems too boring. Not enough coolness in the user-created content, either. I'd normally love this game but I'm already infatuated with LittleBigPlanet for being the better one overall. |
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DarkBlueAce
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:49 pm
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IMO Spore is a decent game. For me the creation wouldn't be enough because I actually want to use my creations in a game. Spore didn't meet my expectations (especially considering when I first heard about it I was led to believe it was going to be an MMO, and also there were a few things I saw them change that I thought were not improvements) so I'll eventually get tired of it. LittleBigPlanet will be infinitely better and I'm sure of this since I've seen near complete gameplay of it already. |
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