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Master of Puppets... The Chaos Heart
Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 4568
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:54 am
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Some kid wrote this because people are trying to take the word God out of the pledge of allegiance, and outlaw God in schools and such. I find it completely ridiculous, seeing as all other religions are allowed, nut not Christianity. There reason is for being "fair", but that doesn't seem very balanced now does it?
Anyway, here's some poem some kid wrote:
Quote: | NEW School prayer: - > Now I sit me down in school > Where praying is against the rule > For this great nation under God > Finds mention of Him very odd. > > If Scripture now the class recites, > It violates the Bill of Rights. > And anytime my head I bow > Becomes a Federal matter now. > > Our hair can be purple, orang e or green, > That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. > The law is specific, the law is precise. > Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. > > For praying in a public hall > Might offend someone with no faith at all. > In silence alone we must meditate, > God's name is prohibited by the state. > > We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, > And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. > They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. > To quote the Good Book makes me liable. > We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, > And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. > It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from > wrong, > AWe're taught that such 'judgments' do not > belong. > > We can get our condoms and birth controls, > Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. > But the Ten Commandmen ts are not allowed, > No word of God must reach this crowd. > It's scary here I must confess, > When chaos reigns the school's a mess. > So, Lord, this silent plea I make: > Should I be shot; My soul please take! > Amen |
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bloodthirstypedomonster Barry the Pixl Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:02 am
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You make a good point, and I agree. Also, that was a very good poem. |
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Cid Lord Krump
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:02 am
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Here's how schools should be treating the matter right now. Teachers and faculty should not initiate religious thoughts/discussion in the classroom, nor should they force their beliefs upon students. They should keep whatever the believe to themselves.
The student, however, should have the right to pray or publicly display pride in his/her faith, as long as it doesn't become part of the lecture or whatever. He/she should be allowed to share his/her faith or practice it, but he/she should not be allowed to force it. Say, if one kid goes up to another and asks, "Hey, you want to come pray with me?" and the other kid replies, "No thanks," that should be the end of it. No problems. |
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Super Cyber Mario Burning Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:00 pm
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In public schools no praying, hugging etc. is allowed from teachers. In catholic schools daily prayer etc. is required. Let the teachers do what they want in public schools, if one teacher wants to begin with a prayer, so be it. And offer theology as an elective or alternate class for people.
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cool Lord Bob Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:21 pm
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Actually, schools are starting to teach a little of the Bible in English classes, or so says my English teacher. It's so the students can better understand some themes, as they come from Bible stories. |
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that confounded bridge Abstract Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:25 pm
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In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
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RaveRaze Mana7 Dead
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:28 pm
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AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. |
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that confounded bridge Abstract Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:44 pm
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Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. | ... What poem? O.o
Anyway, I'm not saying that Christian teachers should be allowed to convert students, but they should be able to teach about all kinds of religion, including Christianity... And, yes, it would be in appropriate classes. I wouldn't want to be hearing stuff about creationism in science. |
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~A color is just a color~ Frozenwinters
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:04 pm
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In my school we're not even allowed Christmas plays. It's really stupid. |
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RaveRaze Mana7 Dead
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:26 pm
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AbstractThoughts wrote: | Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. | ... What poem? O.o
Anyway, I'm not saying that Christian teachers should be allowed to convert students, but they should be able to teach about all kinds of religion, including Christianity... And, yes, it would be in appropriate classes. I wouldn't want to be hearing stuff about creationism in science. |
the poem that was at the beggining of the topic Religion should only be taught in classes about history because that applies to what was going on at the time because thats when the world was ruled by realigon |
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Bremmy R. S. Buzzy
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:52 pm
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Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. | ... What poem? O.o
Anyway, I'm not saying that Christian teachers should be allowed to convert students, but they should be able to teach about all kinds of religion, including Christianity... And, yes, it would be in appropriate classes. I wouldn't want to be hearing stuff about creationism in science. |
the poem that was at the beggining of the topic Religion should only be taught in classes about history because that applies to what was going on at the time because thats when the world was ruled by realigon | Realigon? Sounds like a zany lizard Pokemon. |
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that confounded bridge Abstract Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:16 pm
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Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. | ... What poem? O.o
Anyway, I'm not saying that Christian teachers should be allowed to convert students, but they should be able to teach about all kinds of religion, including Christianity... And, yes, it would be in appropriate classes. I wouldn't want to be hearing stuff about creationism in science. |
the poem that was at the beggining of the topic Religion should only be taught in classes about history because that applies to what was going on at the time because thats when the world was ruled by realigon | ... *facepalm*
Oh, I feel dense. Especially because I read the entire damn thing through.
Religion could also be taught in English. Religious stories and writing, you know. |
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Chocolate Kirby Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:42 pm
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Wasn't that how the Pledge of Allegiance was originally written? And even Jews believe in God (whoever didn't know this)! It seems weird to do that. |
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Simsmagic Aggrieved Vampire
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:54 pm
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Religion and Education should be kept separate. I'm okay if some people want to pray before or during school, as long as they don't try to force it on other people. |
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RaveRaze Mana7 Dead
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:49 pm
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AbstractThoughts wrote: | Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | Mecha Miku wrote: | AbstractThoughts wrote: | In a public school, Christianity is avoided, as people are more biased against Christians than anyone else, because they are the "great converters". They only allow other religions to avoid being labelled racist and because the other religions are "exotic" in the West.
A teacher should not be allowed to force religion upon children in a school, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Paganism, or Atheism. Discussion, however, should be allowed, in my opinion.
My grade eight teacher spoke from a Christian point of view all of the time, yet she never tried to force her religion on us. I find that the non-religious are actually far more aggressive when it comes to forcing their beliefs upon others. In almost a rude way, sometimes.
We should learn about Christianity in schools. I did in middle school, alongside several other religions. It does no harm; if the child decides to believe in whatever is being discussed, it's not the teacher's fault (unless they're being biased toward said religion), it's the kid's fault. If the parents have a problem with it, too bad. They'd be doing just what they're afraid that Christianity would be doing: converting their children. |
not in Complete disagreement with ya over here but some things to say (By the way amazing Poem) One of the reasons the christians are viewed as great convertors because they travel to countries where their is a problem like hunger, and offer to feed only those who convert. Some christians broke the rule and offered food to everyone which is probably why so many people got converted in certain areas. Sure we should learn a little but only in classes like history and ancient cultures. Parents dont want their kids learning about this stuff because they dont want them abandoning their old ways and culture. | ... What poem? O.o
Anyway, I'm not saying that Christian teachers should be allowed to convert students, but they should be able to teach about all kinds of religion, including Christianity... And, yes, it would be in appropriate classes. I wouldn't want to be hearing stuff about creationism in science. |
the poem that was at the beggining of the topic Religion should only be taught in classes about history because that applies to what was going on at the time because thats when the world was ruled by realigon | ... *facepalm*
Oh, I feel dense. Especially because I read the entire damn thing through.
Religion could also be taught in English. Religious stories and writing, you know. |
There are many forms of fine literature that dont draw from realigous stories. And if you must just scratch the surface with a plastic spoon dont slice it open with a sword /bad metaphor |
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