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PEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Cherry Vampire
Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 22614
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:16 am
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I'm not talking about molesting children, of course that's not right. *crag* in any form isn't right, or even remotely justifiable, that's obvious enough.
But what I'm talking about is a manner of consensual sex while being at an "unlawful" age, say... a 25 year old and a 15 year old. Is that wrong? It's completely consensual, so I don't see what's so bad about it.
I think pedophilia gets a bad rap simply because it's ALWAYS associated with some form of non-consensual sex, and people don't seem to realize that's it's a legitimate way of living.
I suppose it's more a question of morals, if anything. If you live life with people "too young for you" without committing *crag* (that is, sex without consent, not *crag* in the statutory sense), are you still a "horribly diseased" person who needs to be subsided? Or is it really just another way of living your life? |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:10 am
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Post ahead is [M]. (Shouldn't the topic itself be anyway?)
Pedophilia IS wrong in numerous circumstances. The ones that aren't wrong are when the underage member is already 15 or so, and therefore, have a body with enough development to take sex. And, of course, it also takes agreement from both parties.
People younger than that, women specially, usually aren't quite ready to have sex yet. Because having sex takes some bodily functions that develop only at puberty. And even after hitting puberty, those don't develop in one day. It takes time. Years.
Furthermore, extremely young people (aka children) can NOT have sex. To start with, males just can't, not because it will bring them damage, but because the only thing their, let's say, "lower organs" can do is erect and pee. As for girls, their "lower organs" have a protective "skin" that is there to avoid inffections until they lose virginity. Guess what, that "skin" is there for a reason. Children have weaker protective systems, so infections are a lot more efficient against them. Even furthermore: It hurts. It bleeds. It still does with a "ready" woman, but, it's a lot less hard to deal with, especially if "it's being done right". And that, not to mention children usually won't know the risks of being pedophilia'd, so, it's easier to get them to "cooperate", but that doesn't mean a thing.
Therefore, except for the acceptable variety (That is, with people old enough), it's quite a selfish thing to do.
As long as you keep pedophilia to you and your hand, and as long as you keep quiet about it, though, it's no issue. The problem is, well, the "source". Remember that it's also no good to cooperate with making children into prostitutes (Or should I say, camwhores). |
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Hellza Ballza Goron Mask Dead
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 29930
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:09 pm
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Pedophillia is fine as long as it's dobule sided not just one sided, meaning that both partners agree to it and that the other isn't forcing the other person to have sex with them. |
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Poison Super Postman Jailed Vampire
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 6363
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:08 pm
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When you are younger, you are stupider, and easily manipulated. Even if the sex is "consensual" The Younger party may have been tricked into it. This all goes under the argument of innocence and crap but I know the one main reason. People are stupid, Hence why the laws exists.
I however do not agree with statutory *crag* laws if the parties are within a few years of each other ( IE a 18 year old high school Senior should not get arrested for SR if their SO is a 15 year old freshman)
For those who have a sexual obsession with young children, it sickens me all the American justice system can do is lock up these folks and put them on a list that ensures they wont hold a normal job ever again, and that they will have a hard time finding a place to live. Instead of doing something productive, like rehabilitating those who stepped out of their bounds. We sometimes forget even criminals are human. |
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Blue Eyes wins. Captain Blue
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 15314
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:21 pm
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I'm split on this issue. I mean, in terms of lolicon with anime characters and the like, I'm fine, but in real life....I have no comment. |
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Flavio Vampire
Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 10649
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:29 pm
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Flavio thinks that pedophilia is perfectly acceptable under all circumstances. |
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hai Spiny
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 27193
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:35 pm
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I pretty much agree with CFH on this issue. |
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Super ShadowArticuno
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 29080
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:35 pm
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Tell me if there's any upsides to pedophilia, but I thiiiiink it's illegal for a reason. If the individuals in question are within a few years of age as stated by Poison, but within 10 years of each other as shown in Cherry's example just seems sort of wrong. I mean, think about it; When the 15 year old was being born, the 25 year old had already been alive for a decade. I don't care if there's "love", teens are usually too confused by their lives to understand what's true and what's just sex. |
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High Priestess Paula Count_Bleck
Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 29980
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:31 pm
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I only find Pedophilia wrong if there's no consent.
Being tricked into giving consent is the same thing as their not being any IMO as well. |
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Serene Absolute~ Zuzu
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 121
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:02 pm
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Quote: | But what I'm talking about is a manner of consensual sex while being at an "unlawful" age, say... a 25 year old and a 15 year old. Is that wrong? |
I stopped right there. OF COURSE IT'S FREAKING WRONG!!! What kind of retard would do a teenage girl/guy just to get them/themselves pregnant?
If it were a 25 year old and a 35 year old, that'd be OK. 'Cause they're both technically adults (though they may not act it >.>), butbutbut... It wouldn't be OK if they weren't married but doing it anyways. I think the only reason why anyone should do someone else is if they're married and are happy. Even if they're engaged or boyfriend and girlfriend, it still wouldn't be right. If it were a gay or lesbian relationship, even though no one can actually get pregnant that way, I still say wait 'til you're happily married.
'Tis my outlook on it~ |
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CFH Ligador
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 5136
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:46 pm
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Zuzu wrote: | Quote: | But what I'm talking about is a manner of consensual sex while being at an "unlawful" age, say... a 25 year old and a 15 year old. Is that wrong? |
I stopped right there. OF COURSE IT'S FREAKING WRONG!!! What kind of retard would do a teenage girl/guy just to get them/themselves pregnant?
If it were a 25 year old and a 35 year old, that'd be OK. 'Cause they're both technically adults (though they may not act it >.>), butbutbut... It wouldn't be OK if they weren't married but doing it anyways. I think the only reason why anyone should do someone else is if they're married and are happy. Even if they're engaged or boyfriend and girlfriend, it still wouldn't be right. If it were a gay or lesbian relationship, even though no one can actually get pregnant that way, I still say wait 'til you're happily married.
'Tis my outlook on it~ | Marriage is complicated to do and undo. Many people crave variety. So, yeah.
Also, responsibility AND FALCON PUNCHING is enough to prevent pregnancy.
But, to keep on topic, while 25-years-old on 15-years-old does sound awkward, it's because of how different the two elements are. As long as the younger party is "ready" and accepting it maturely, though, it's not THAT awkward in my opinion. But that may be because it gets a lot more awkward than that.
Not that three years would kill, however. |
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Cid Lord Krump
Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 7880
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:12 pm
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The age of consent should be 18. It is no lie that teenagers are most of the time, at least- naive and easily influenced. Sure, they could say that they're ready to give consent, but in many cases, they're only letting their wants and emotions get the better of them, instead of logically thinking through all possible outcomes of their decision. To ensure general safety, they should only be allowed to casually have sex with individuals older than themselves at a mature enough age.
As for pedophiles, yes, it is unfortunate that they have this condition. They did not choose to be attracted to younger people, and it isn't a curable condition. However, that is why we let them have their pornography (Let me clarify on "pornography" here: I'm talking about "erotic artwork (As in drawings/paintings)," not photography/videos. And this artwork wouldn't be modeled after living individuals, either.), so that it lessens the possibility that they might let their sex drives get the better of them and do something illegal. |
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that confounded bridge Abstract Vampire
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2521
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:26 pm
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Pedophilia is a fetish. There is nothing wrong with having a fetish, as it is completely natural.
However, when one begins to confuse fantasy with reality, it becomes wrong. In this case, when an older person begins to be attracted to a small child.
Even if they give consent, they have most likely been tricked into a relationship, one way or another.
Really, I can't say much on this subject, aside from if it's truly consensual, and the child is of the age of consent (or is at LEAST very close to it), then I don't really care.
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