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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:48 pm
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| Shrowser wrote: | | Well, I know you teens wanna be rebellious and have your own opinions and all, but that's pretty disrespectful. Your art teacher's right, you should be really thankful for what you've got altogether, rather than just being stubborn about a couple government screw-ups. |
But it's not like I'm doing this because I'm a "rebellious teen". I've been like this my whole life (or at least since 5th grade). It's not being stubborn at all. If anything it's a rather peaceful form of protest. |
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Popple
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:11 pm
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| Geno wrote: | | Popple wrote: | | but it is required that you stand. |
It's not required.
If it is, show me where it says that we HAVE to stand. |
It is an unwritten rule.
It's like waving with the back of your hand in Rome.
It's respect for a culture. |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:13 pm
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| Popple wrote: | | Geno wrote: | | Popple wrote: | | but it is required that you stand. |
It's not required.
If it is, show me where it says that we HAVE to stand. |
It is an unwritten rule.
It's like waving with the back of your hand in Rome.
It's respect for a culture. |
But it's not illegal to not stand. You aren't going to be taken away to prison for it. You don't have to do it. |
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Alice
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:23 pm
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Heh, I just stand, and stay silent without doing anything. I don't overly care, I guess. It just seems sorta pointless to.
Today my teacher actually yelled at me for it, though. It's not like it's a big deal. You don't have to say it. It's just some stupid pledge. When I told him that, he threw a fit and swore at me. ♡
Most teachers don't understand much except what they teach. ._. |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:27 pm
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| Alice wrote: | Heh, I just stand, and stay silent without doing anything. I don't overly care, I guess. It just seems sorta pointless to.
Today my teacher actually yelled at me for it, though. It's not like it's a big deal. You don't have to say it. It's just some stupid pledge. When I told him that, he threw a fit and swore at me. ♡
Most teachers don't understand much except what they teach. ._. |
I've stood once or twice... Only cuz the stool that I sit at was gone. Even then my teacher had a problem because my hand wasn't on my heart (which is actually in the center of the human chest, as opposed to the weird left version most people seem to have) and I wasn't saying anything.
I mean at least I stood. |
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Simsmagic
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:45 pm
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| Shrowser wrote: | | Well, I know you teens wanna be rebellious and have your own opinions and all, but that's pretty disrespectful. Your art teacher's right, you should be really thankful for what you've got altogether, rather than just being stubborn about a couple government screw-ups. |
It has nothing to do with being rebellious. If you don't want to stand, say it, or any of that for whatever reason, you have a right not too. If you get chewed up for it, then the teacher doesn't know enough about freedom of speech. |
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lightening
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:52 pm
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| Simsmagic wrote: | | Shrowser wrote: | | Well, I know you teens wanna be rebellious and have your own opinions and all, but that's pretty disrespectful. Your art teacher's right, you should be really thankful for what you've got altogether, rather than just being stubborn about a couple government screw-ups. |
It has nothing to do with being rebellious. If you don't want to stand, say it, or any of that for whatever reason, you have a right not too. If you get chewed up for it, then the teacher doesn't know enough about freedom of speech. |
...But quite seriously, It's simply a common courtesy...
...All you're saying is that, "Hey, I'm too lazy to give my respect to my country in a simple way, ya' know all I have to do is not say 'one Nation under God', but I don't really care"...
...I really don't mean to be rude, but it's ridiculous that you're not willing to stand up (literally) just to say that you respect your country for what it is trying to do...
~White Shy Guy |
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DarkBlueAce
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:34 am
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| Geno wrote: | | Alice wrote: | Heh, I just stand, and stay silent without doing anything. I don't overly care, I guess. It just seems sorta pointless to.
Today my teacher actually yelled at me for it, though. It's not like it's a big deal. You don't have to say it. It's just some stupid pledge. When I told him that, he threw a fit and swore at me. ♡
Most teachers don't understand much except what they teach. ._. |
I've stood once or twice... Only cuz the stool that I sit at was gone. Even then my teacher had a problem because my hand wasn't on my heart (which is actually in the center of the human chest, as opposed to the weird left version most people seem to have) and I wasn't saying anything.
I mean at least I stood. |
I've always been told your heart is on the left side. It wouldn't be a big deal if you just stand silently with your hands at your sides just so you don't offend anyone, but it really depends on how you as an individual look at it. |
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Kero Neko
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:04 am
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Well I too am currently dissapointed in our country, but I haven't been around anyone or anything really requiring me to recite the pledge in years. So maybe I should just stay away from this topic, but just for the record, forcing someone to do anything in a nation built around freedom seems a bit wrong, chupi. |
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I see what you are doing.
Lord Vaati
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:40 am
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Hopefully there aren't any children in wheelchairs they can't stand.
Anyways I've never stood but I still did the pledge.
And when I was not in the mood and chose not to I was not yelled at or anything.
Also during the pledge I was not talking or saying anything. |
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Master of Puppets...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:55 pm
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The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>
EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:02 pm
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
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Master of Puppets...
The Chaos Heart
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:06 pm
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| Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
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Chaos-Stev-0
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:10 pm
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
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Master of Puppets...
The Chaos Heart
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:13 pm
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| Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
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