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Crappiest Animator ever.
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
That is because people hold their own opinions. Speakin' of which...
Alice, you did deserve to get yelled at. It would've been your teacher's fault if he yelled at you, but you called the pledge stupid, which makes you equally as guilty. It is alright to have your own opinion on somethin', but to say somethin' negative like "The Pledge is a stupid song, why would we need to say it?" is not right at all. It shows no respect for others and their opinions. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:55 pm
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| Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
That is because people hold their own opinions. Speakin' of which...
Alice, you did deserve to get yelled at. It would've been your teacher's fault if he yelled at you, but you called the pledge stupid, which makes you equally as guilty. It is alright to have your own opinion on somethin', but to say somethin' negative like "The Pledge is a stupid song, why would we need to say it?" is not right at all. It shows no respect for others and their opinions. |
It's still not that big of a deal. And no one said I respected the opinions of people at my school, did they? ._. ♡ |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:04 pm
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: |
EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
You in the same school as him? If you're not, then you don't KNOW.
I my self only stand because I have to in the breakfast line when the announcements are on. |
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By the way TCH... I read my school's rules (as they give us a booklet at the beginning of the year). It says NOWHERE that I have to stand for the pledge. NOWHERE. I even asked my principal if I had to, and he said no.
It's something that CANNOT be enforced. Traditions CANNOT be enforced. That's like saying if I don't pray before every meal, I'm going to get punished by my religious extended family members (who come over on holidays). Well, I don't pray, and they don't punish me, because it's not something that they can enforce, as I have different beliefs. The same thing goes for the Pledge of Allegiance. I almost want to call it the "Pledge of Conformity". When I say the pledge, it feels like I'm offering myself to the United States. it's like I'm throwing myself into tasks I don't want to perform. No, I wouldn't go fight a war for this country, nor any other. I'd rather go to jail for a few years than be part of a draft (not that there would be one, but hypothetically). No, I wouldn't vote between 2 presidential candidates that I thought were both more harmful than not. "Patriotic duties" are not laws. They aren't laws for the fact that if someone believes something isn't right, they can stand for their beliefs and not do it. Sure, people will be ticked off when I don't do it, but they CANNOT punish me unless it's a private organization. And since public schools are not private, I cannot get punished for displaying my beliefs, as what I'm doing harms no one around me in any way. If I wore a shirt that said (please, please excuse this, as it's a real-life example) "Fuck America", like someone did a few years ago in my school, then yes, punish them, because they're breaking dress code, cursing, and overly-displaying their opinions. But SITTING DOWN... It's not against the rules, and it never can be, because taking away a freedom such as this would mean taking away the right to peaceful protest. It's not logical to be punished for a freedom.
And how does your theory of "not being American" even make sense? I was born in this country. I am a legal citizen. therefore, I am American. I think I make more sense with that than you did by saying not standing up makes me not American. |
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Crappiest Animator ever.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:39 pm
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| Alice wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
That is because people hold their own opinions. Speakin' of which...
Alice, you did deserve to get yelled at. It would've been your teacher's fault if he yelled at you, but you called the pledge stupid, which makes you equally as guilty. It is alright to have your own opinion on somethin', but to say somethin' negative like "The Pledge is a stupid song, why would we need to say it?" is not right at all. It shows no respect for others and their opinions. |
It's still not that big of a deal. And no one said I respected the opinions of people at my school, did they? ._. ♡ |
That still doesn't give you the right to insult somethin' of which many people have respect for. |
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| Anti-Guy wrote: | ...But quite seriously, It's simply a common courtesy...
...All you're saying is that, "Hey, I'm too lazy to give my respect to my country in a simple way, ya' know all I have to do is not say 'one Nation under God', but I don't really care"...
...I really don't mean to be rude, but it's ridiculous that you're not willing to stand up (literally) just to say that you respect your country for what it is trying to do...
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It's not being lazy. I would say it every day if I truly wanted to. But I don't, so I won't. Not because I don't feel like it, but I don't believe in the message that it is saying.
Plus, if that line is even in there, it shows that there is no separation of church and state, as it clearly states that we are a country under God. |
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| Simsmagic wrote: | | Anti-Guy wrote: | ...But quite seriously, It's simply a common courtesy...
...All you're saying is that, "Hey, I'm too lazy to give my respect to my country in a simple way, ya' know all I have to do is not say 'one Nation under God', but I don't really care"...
...I really don't mean to be rude, but it's ridiculous that you're not willing to stand up (literally) just to say that you respect your country for what it is trying to do...
~White Shy Guy |
Plus, if that line is even in there, it shows that there is no separation of church and state, as it clearly states that we are a country under God. |
...You're saying that the church RUNS this country?...
...I don't think that the US government is run my anyone religion, or any at all...
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Okay, so you don't believe in it Geno (and all the others who don't).
WHY MUST YOU CREATE A *crag* FUSS?
THE WORLD WON'T FALL APART BECAUSE YOU STOOD AND RECITED SOMETHING YOU GO AGAINST!
JUST DO IT DAMMIT!
By doing it, you avoid creating a fuss. So it's your right to not have to stand. Like has been mentioned countless times before. It won't kill you to stand for 20 seconds. Your mind could wander as you recite it, but because you did it, the world is happy and all is well.
You also don't get punished.
Here's an example.
I absoulutely loathe carrots. My parents scold me if I don't eat them in the meal that has them. So, I tough it. Eating 3 carrots won't kill me. It won't make the leaders of the world fall apart. It won't make armagedon happen.
So...
JUST DO IT! |
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| Geno wrote: | By the way TCH... I read my school's rules (as they give us a booklet at the beginning of the year). It says NOWHERE that I have to stand for the pledge. NOWHERE. I even asked my principal if I had to, and he said no.
It's something that CANNOT be enforced. Traditions CANNOT be enforced. That's like saying if I don't pray before every meal, I'm going to get punished by my religious extended family members (who come over on holidays). Well, I don't pray, and they don't punish me, because it's not something that they can enforce, as I have different beliefs. The same thing goes for the Pledge of Allegiance. I almost want to call it the "Pledge of Conformity". When I say the pledge, it feels like I'm offering myself to the United States. it's like I'm throwing myself into tasks I don't want to perform. No, I wouldn't go fight a war for this country, nor any other. I'd rather go to jail for a few years than be part of a draft (not that there would be one, but hypothetically). No, I wouldn't vote between 2 presidential candidates that I thought were both more harmful than not. "Patriotic duties" are not laws. They aren't laws for the fact that if someone believes something isn't right, they can stand for their beliefs and not do it. Sure, people will be ticked off when I don't do it, but they CANNOT punish me unless it's a private organization. And since public schools are not private, I cannot get punished for displaying my beliefs, as what I'm doing harms no one around me in any way. If I wore a shirt that said (please, please excuse this, as it's a real-life example) "Fuck America", like someone did a few years ago in my school, then yes, punish them, because they're breaking dress code, cursing, and overly-displaying their opinions. But SITTING DOWN... It's not against the rules, and it never can be, because taking away a freedom such as this would mean taking away the right to peaceful protest. It's not logical to be punished for a freedom.
And how does your theory of "not being American" even make sense? I was born in this country. I am a legal citizen. therefore, I am American. I think I make more sense with that than you did by saying not standing up makes me not American. |
No no. You misunderstood. It's not MY theory. It's the theory of people like your teacher.
And if you principle said no, then yiu are very fortunate. Most schools will enforce such silly traditions in their policy. I congratulate your school. |
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TooManyToasters
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:13 am
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| Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | Alice wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
That is because people hold their own opinions. Speakin' of which...
Alice, you did deserve to get yelled at. It would've been your teacher's fault if he yelled at you, but you called the pledge stupid, which makes you equally as guilty. It is alright to have your own opinion on somethin', but to say somethin' negative like "The Pledge is a stupid song, why would we need to say it?" is not right at all. It shows no respect for others and their opinions. |
It's still not that big of a deal. And no one said I respected the opinions of people at my school, did they? ._. ♡ |
That still doesn't give you the right to insult somethin' of which many people have respect for. |
What's your favourite game? YEAH WELL I HATE IT THAT GAME SUCKED.
I'm doing the same thing, but it's not actually bad. I'm just stating my opinion. Everybody's entitled to do that, you know. ФֻФ |
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| The Chaos Heart wrote: | | EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
NO! If your school forces people to do the pledge, it is seriously not right. This country is basically like a free country. We are allowed to stand up to the government. You guys are so lucky to live in the US, a non communist country.
Its not a rule to do the pledge. Its more like a tradition, like Geno said. Do we have to follow tradition? If we did, police would come to your house and force you to watch the Fourth of July fireworks, or something like that. If you do the pledge, it means you stand up for your country. You support the country. You have respect for this country.
As for me, I don't do the pledge. I don't give a rat shit about the US. No ones gonna force me to do the pledge. If it WAS a rule, I would have sued the school or the country in the first place.
This country (at least my area) sucks anyway. |
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Crappiest Animator ever.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:28 pm
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| TooManyToasters wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | Alice wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | | Chaos-Stev-0 wrote: | | The Chaos Heart wrote: | The reason is simple.
Whether you like it or not it is school policy that you must stand to show respect. You don't have to say the pledge, but you must stand. That is why you were punished, and that is why your teacher was so frustrated.
This is not to say it is right. In fact, I find it very stupid. But, it's the whole "respect" thing. Apparently, if you don't stand, you don't love America.
That's basically what the rules says.
How childish. >.>EDIT: Yes Geno, it's required. It's in the school rules. Fine print. Read them. |
No, it isn't.
People who get pissed at others who don't stand is because, to them, it's like yellin' out loud "Oh, America? Oh yeah, that piece of crap" whether it is what they mean or not. They view it that way for the same reason some don't wanna stand for the pledge: Because everyone has different views on things.
You may think it is childish and stupid. But you know what? They think that about you as well just because you don't see things their way. And whether you like it or not, everyone does. If an adult watches certain shows, he is insulted for it. No one can hold their own opnion without bein' hated. That is why a lot of people hate the KKK. They are only doin' what they do outta their opinion. Sure, many people (like me) don't agree, but they don't agree with us either.
Also, standin' for the flag doesn't mean that you love all of America. Hell, I myself am not paticularly fond of the government, but I stand anyways. It doesn't matter much to me about the government bein' bad, because there is no good government. I want someone to come to me and tell me of a government where everyone loves it. Good luck findin' one. |
The KKK, no matter what their opinion were, were nothing more than murderers. That's all they'll ever be.
Standing for the pledge means nothing. It's just a tradition. And it harms no one if you don't stand. It's childish to believe that, because you don't make a physical movement, you are Un-American. Silly traditions.
And yes, it is policy. Ask your school principle when you get the chance. |
Nobody ever said that it is un-American. At least, I have yet to see it.
People only find it disrespectful and get pissed off. And, like almost any other angry person, they take some form of action.
Sometimes, it is a little bit odd. But that's just the way pretty much everyone is. |
Respect for country = American.
No respect = Not American
Not standing = No respect
Therefor Not standing = Not American
It's a silly tradition, no matter what humans dictate. Very silly indeed. But, that's just the way people will be I suppose. How annoying. |
That is because people hold their own opinions. Speakin' of which...
Alice, you did deserve to get yelled at. It would've been your teacher's fault if he yelled at you, but you called the pledge stupid, which makes you equally as guilty. It is alright to have your own opinion on somethin', but to say somethin' negative like "The Pledge is a stupid song, why would we need to say it?" is not right at all. It shows no respect for others and their opinions. |
It's still not that big of a deal. And no one said I respected the opinions of people at my school, did they? ._. ♡ |
That still doesn't give you the right to insult somethin' of which many people have respect for. |
What's your favourite game? YEAH WELL I HATE IT THAT GAME SUCKED.
I'm doing the same thing, but it's not actually bad. I'm just stating my opinion. Everybody's entitled to do that, you know. ФֻФ |
Yes, but you are basically turnin' your opinion into an insult. You can say somethin' like "I myself am not a fan of the game" or "I never really liked that game", but somethin' like "That game sucked ass!" is both offensive and negative to someone who may like the game. Say things like that is very disrespectful to people. |
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Simsmagic
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Sorry for being off-topic, but please kill the quote pyramid.
Also, the first amendment gives us the right to say whatever the hell we want. If I want to say "The pledge sucks", I have a given right to do so. If I get in trouble for saying it, then my right is being suppressed. |
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| Simsmagic wrote: | Sorry for being off-topic, but please kill the quote pyramid.
Also, the first amendment gives us the right to say whatever the hell we want. If I want to say "The pledge sucks", I have a given right to do so. If I get in trouble for saying it, then my right is being suppressed. |
That isn't my point.
My point is that Alice set the trap, the teacher followed, and the results came in.
Also, even though that is an amendment, it is still a horrible rule. Nobody can say somethin' racial without gettin' in trouble, dispite it bein' their view, without gettin' attacked or punished in some form. |
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Poison
Super Postman
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:41 pm
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Am I the only full blooded American who commends him for having some integrity? For exercising a right to opinion? and actually Standing up...erm Sitting down for what he believes in? |
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