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Cherry
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 Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:43 pm
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| Screamy wrote: | | Because the term only applies to sexual attraction, they should change the name. |
Alienation. |
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Master of Puppets...
The Chaos Heart
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:49 pm
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| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | IT'S COUNTER-WALLOFTEXTING TIME
| Hanyuu wrote: | | It's not how things were meant to work. Donating sperm is not how humans were designed to reproduce. Same sex marriages are not how humans were designed to reproduce. |
Humans were designed to act as animals that pick up food that was left lieing out there, much like hyenas. Do we still do that nowadays? Remember, the way humans live now is a whole lot different than the lifestyle they were designed to live under. |
The fact remains that humans still are animals and, unlike the way we live, the way we reproduce has not, nor will it ever change.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | The animal kingdom has no homosexuals. Humans are not above animals. Humans, in many cases, are worse than animals in the way they live. |
And this is pertinent to gay marriage, how? All animal species have differences, so, it's quite tricky to compare the life of one species to the rest of them all. |
So humans are the one out of thousands of species that have relationships with the same sex? Again, you are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. You are not above them, you are with them. The way you speak, it gives the impression you believe humans to be better than animals. An entire different group of beings if you will. This is not the case.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | However, homosexual marriage goes against ever aspect of human reproduction. It's stupid, pointless, and I really don't care. |
Um, just so you know, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. In fact, marriage is not a requirement in having sex and children. |
Then why do people get married? Is it our of love? No. If you love someone, spending time with them is how you express it. Love is shown by the acts you preform, not some ritual. The point of marriage is to say, "This is the person I am going to give my body to". Thus, the point of marriage is to start a family, A.K.A. HAVE SEX AND REPRODUCE LIKE THE ANIMALS HUMANS ARE.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Love and marriage are separate things. Whereas love is a feeling, marriage is designed to continue the species. Homosexual marriage does NOT continue the species, it just cares for what is already made, but we already have plenty of methods BETTER than homosexual marriage for this. |
Again, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. |
Again, it is.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | What if EVERYONE was homosexual? Would the world advance at all?
No.
It would decline. |
Is EVERYONE homosexual? No.
Furthermore, more homosexuality would actually be handy in some parts of the world -- see, overpopulated countries with overflowing birth rate. |
If everyone in the world were "straight", there would be no bad outcome. Thus, Homosexuality is inferior to the traditional views of love and marriage, making homosexuality, illogical.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Thus, homosexual MARRIAGE is illogical, due to the fact it does not benefit society, but rather, harms it. |
It harms society, how? Even if they have no children, there are several other couples to make up for it. They'd hinder society if the burden of reproduction was up to them, but it's not, so, the worst they can do is anger hard religious people. |
They are not contributing to the continuation to society, thus, they have no use. Anything useless is dangerous, as it threatens to take up space and undo many things already done.
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Homosexual LOVE is a completely different subject. My only opinion on this is that love in it's self is illogical. To give yourself up to another is truly foolish and disgusting in my eyes, no matter what the combination. |
Then again, some people are just not worth being on their own. There ARE some uses to love; the only thing I see as wrong in it is that it's been made too widespread and overrated. But that's not pertinent to the topic in hand so I'll just shut up here. |
As will I then. |
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CFH
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Joined: 20 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:01 pm
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| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | IT'S COUNTER-WALLOFTEXTING TIME
| Hanyuu wrote: | | It's not how things were meant to work. Donating sperm is not how humans were designed to reproduce. Same sex marriages are not how humans were designed to reproduce. |
Humans were designed to act as animals that pick up food that was left lieing out there, much like hyenas. Do we still do that nowadays? Remember, the way humans live now is a whole lot different than the lifestyle they were designed to live under. |
The fact remains that humans still are animals and, unlike the way we live, the way we reproduce has not, nor will it ever change. |
Hm, strange, I don't recall mentioning reproduction. That's not the point. The point is that "because we were designed to be that way" isn't a valid argument, given we've completely changed the way we live, for better or for worse.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | The animal kingdom has no homosexuals. Humans are not above animals. Humans, in many cases, are worse than animals in the way they live. |
And this is pertinent to gay marriage, how? All animal species have differences, so, it's quite tricky to compare the life of one species to the rest of them all. |
So humans are the one out of thousands of species that have relationships with the same sex? Again, you are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. You are not above them, you are with them. The way you speak, it gives the impression you believe humans to be better than animals. An entire different group of beings if you will. This is not the case. |
I can't see how did I give that impression off, because I don't think humans are much more than fellow animals. You see, the thing is that every species is diferent from one another, and even then, beings of the same species also differ. So, just because it's not what animals usually do, it isn't supposed to be something we don't do. Having a huge neck isn't what animals usually do, but hey, giraffes do it all the time.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | However, homosexual marriage goes against ever aspect of human reproduction. It's stupid, pointless, and I really don't care. |
Um, just so you know, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. In fact, marriage is not a requirement in having sex and children. |
Then why do people get married? Is it our of love? No. If you love someone, spending time with them is how you express it. Love is shown by the acts you preform, not some ritual. The point of marriage is to say, "This is the person I am going to give my body to". Thus, the point of marriage is to start a family, A.K.A. HAVE SEX AND REPRODUCE LIKE THE ANIMALS HUMANS ARE. |
Oh, I ascertain you sex isn't the point of marriage. Most people are much more promiscuous than that. The point in marriage is to take the political and religious status of "married". Sounds not very useful, but hey, people consider marriage something that gives off bragging rights, so of course people will up and do it.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Love and marriage are separate things. Whereas love is a feeling, marriage is designed to continue the species. Homosexual marriage does NOT continue the species, it just cares for what is already made, but we already have plenty of methods BETTER than homosexual marriage for this. |
Again, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. |
Again, it is. |
EEEEE LOOPING AROUND IS FUN
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | What if EVERYONE was homosexual? Would the world advance at all?
No.
It would decline. |
Is EVERYONE homosexual? No.
Furthermore, more homosexuality would actually be handy in some parts of the world -- see, overpopulated countries with overflowing birth rate. |
If everyone in the world were "straight", there would be no bad outcome. Thus, Homosexuality is inferior to the traditional views of love and marriage, making homosexuality, illogical. |
If everyone were straight, no bad outcome would occour. But, the presence of homosexuals brings no bad outcome either. As I said, some places would be better off with more homosexuality, too.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Thus, homosexual MARRIAGE is illogical, due to the fact it does not benefit society, but rather, harms it. |
It harms society, how? Even if they have no children, there are several other couples to make up for it. They'd hinder society if the burden of reproduction was up to them, but it's not, so, the worst they can do is anger hard religious people. |
They are not contributing to the continuation to society, thus, they have no use. Anything useless is dangerous, as it threatens to take up space and undo many things already done. |
I assure you, you don't need to reproduct to be useful. Gay people still can get a job, and be useful. They aren't the bane of society just because they can't have children. In fact, it's good to have some control in the massive birth rates of the world. Six kids are born each second, so, why is it bad to not have children? There are enough people doing it. |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:07 pm
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My own comments in this will be bolded
| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | IT'S COUNTER-WALLOFTEXTING TIME
| Hanyuu wrote: | | It's not how things were meant to work. Donating sperm is not how humans were designed to reproduce. Same sex marriages are not how humans were designed to reproduce. |
Humans were designed to act as animals that pick up food that was left lieing out there, much like hyenas. Do we still do that nowadays? Remember, the way humans live now is a whole lot different than the lifestyle they were designed to live under. |
The fact remains that humans still are animals and, unlike the way we live, the way we reproduce has not, nor will it ever change. |
Hm, strange, I don't recall mentioning reproduction. That's not the point. The point is that "because we were designed to be that way" isn't a valid argument, given we've completely changed the way we live, for better or for worse.As well, gay marriages aren't about reproduction, usually.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | The animal kingdom has no homosexuals. Humans are not above animals. Humans, in many cases, are worse than animals in the way they live. |
And this is pertinent to gay marriage, how? All animal species have differences, so, it's quite tricky to compare the life of one species to the rest of them all. |
So humans are the one out of thousands of species that have relationships with the same sex? Again, you are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom. You are not above them, you are with them. The way you speak, it gives the impression you believe humans to be better than animals. An entire different group of beings if you will. This is not the case. |
I can't see how did I give that impression off, because I don't think humans are much more than fellow animals. You see, the thing is that every species is diferent from one another, and even then, beings of the same species also differ. So, just because it's not what animals usually do, it isn't supposed to be something we don't do. Having a huge neck isn't what animals usually do, but hey, giraffes do it all the time.This is quite true, too. You're talking about how homosexuality might be a trait unique to humans due to it's limit on birth rates, meaning it would be something of a cycle, much like how rabbits change their fur colors and whatnot, right?
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | However, homosexual marriage goes against ever aspect of human reproduction. It's stupid, pointless, and I really don't care. |
Um, just so you know, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. In fact, marriage is not a requirement in having sex and children. |
Then why do people get married? Is it our of love? No. If you love someone, spending time with them is how you express it. Love is shown by the acts you preform, not some ritual. The point of marriage is to say, "This is the person I am going to give my body to". Thus, the point of marriage is to start a family, A.K.A. HAVE SEX AND REPRODUCE LIKE THE ANIMALS HUMANS ARE. |
Oh, I ascertain you sex isn't the point of marriage. Most people are much more promiscuous than that. The point in marriage is to take the political and religious status of "married". Sounds not very useful, but hey, people consider marriage something that gives off bragging rights, so of course people will up and do it.Actually, it usually is out of love. Children are usually a side product, sadly enough. Ever wondered why divorces happen? If marriage was for the children, then divorces wouldn't happen so often, but they still are fairly commonplace, 'cause marriage is for "love".
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Love and marriage are separate things. Whereas love is a feeling, marriage is designed to continue the species. Homosexual marriage does NOT continue the species, it just cares for what is already made, but we already have plenty of methods BETTER than homosexual marriage for this. |
Again, sex and children isn't the reason why people marry. |
Again, it is. |
EEEEE LOOPING AROUND IS FUN.I concur.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | What if EVERYONE was homosexual? Would the world advance at all?
No.
It would decline. |
Is EVERYONE homosexual? No.
Furthermore, more homosexuality would actually be handy in some parts of the world -- see, overpopulated countries with overflowing birth rate. |
If everyone in the world were "straight", there would be no bad outcome. Thus, Homosexuality is inferior to the traditional views of love and marriage, making homosexuality, illogical. |
If everyone were straight, no bad outcome would occour. But, the presence of homosexuals brings no bad outcome either. As I said, some places would be better off with more homosexuality, too.As well, if the entire human population of Earth were heterosexual, birth rates would experience an exponential growth, making food and space little for the people of the Earth. And if that isn't a disadvantage, I don't know what is. Standards of living would actually go down, since it's much harder to maintain such a large population, that will still continue to grow.
| Hanyuu wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | Hanyuu wrote: | | Thus, homosexual MARRIAGE is illogical, due to the fact it does not benefit society, but rather, harms it. |
It harms society, how? Even if they have no children, there are several other couples to make up for it. They'd hinder society if the burden of reproduction was up to them, but it's not, so, the worst they can do is anger hard religious people. |
They are not contributing to the continuation to society, thus, they have no use. Anything useless is dangerous, as it threatens to take up space and undo many things already done. |
I assure you, you don't need to reproduct to be useful. Gay people still can get a job, and be useful. They aren't the bane of society just because they can't have children. In fact, it's good to have some control in the massive birth rates of the world. Six kids are born each second, so, why is it bad to not have children? There are enough people doing it.You're right here. And they actually are contributing to the society, since they inhibit the exponential growth of the world's population. Not that I'm saying "we should all be homosexual", but I see it as something natural, that's innate within us, and used to control population when it skyrockets. |
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Master of Puppets...
The Chaos Heart
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:43 pm
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I'm shocked.
I can't believe I'm about to say this but, upon further examination of your claims, I find that i have to agree with yo on many of these points.
I suppose this means I lose.
I'll have to examine my own words more closely next time. I apologize.
It would seem gays have some use after all... |
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Parabuzzy Queen
Macha
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:34 pm
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Also, a bit of a correction: we're not the only species with homosexual behavior.
Take gay penguins, for instance. |
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CFH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:05 pm
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| Parabuzzy Queen wrote: | Also, a bit of a correction: we're not the only species with homosexual behavior.
Take gay penguins, for instance. |
Oh, yes, that's true. If memory doesn't fail me, they raised stray puppies, too. |
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Something to deliver
Screamy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:42 pm
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| Parabuzzy Queen wrote: | Also, a bit of a correction: we're not the only species with homosexual behavior.
Take gay penguins, for instance. |
Those penguins are in a zoo they're not wild animals so you can't really say that occurred naturally, same with puppies, those are domesticated animals. |
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