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| Was the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan justified? |
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Screamy
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 Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:33 pm
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Yeah, we were aiming at civilians. The Americans were extremely racist towards the Japanese. They were very cruel and violent to their enemies, and we hated them for it. I think in a propaganda film showed to the American military it said" the only good jap is a dead jap." Meaning that the civilians were just the same as the military. |
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MALAK
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:13 pm
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| Screamy wrote: | | Yeah, we were aiming at civilians. The Americans were extremely racist towards the Japanese. They were very cruel and violent to their enemies, and we hated them for it. I think in a propaganda film showed to the American military it said" the only good jap is a dead jap." Meaning that the civilians were just the same as the military. |
Haha, that reminds me when these people interviewed some random japanese family hurt by the whole thing. After they greet them, some guy that helped in the bombing comes in and claims to regret what they did. Either way, it was bluntly obvious that he was playing it out. |
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Screamy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:40 pm
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| Sync wrote: | | Screamy wrote: | | Yeah, we were aiming at civilians. The Americans were extremely racist towards the Japanese. They were very cruel and violent to their enemies, and we hated them for it. I think in a propaganda film showed to the American military it said" the only good jap is a dead jap." Meaning that the civilians were just the same as the military. |
Haha, that reminds me when these people interviewed some random japanese family hurt by the whole thing. After they greet them, some guy that helped in the bombing comes in and claims to regret what they did. Either way, it was bluntly obvious that he was playing it out. |
Yeah but chances are that guy was just following orders to drop the bomb. |
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MALAK
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:41 pm
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| Screamy wrote: | | Sync wrote: | | Screamy wrote: | | Yeah, we were aiming at civilians. The Americans were extremely racist towards the Japanese. They were very cruel and violent to their enemies, and we hated them for it. I think in a propaganda film showed to the American military it said" the only good jap is a dead jap." Meaning that the civilians were just the same as the military. |
Haha, that reminds me when these people interviewed some random japanese family hurt by the whole thing. After they greet them, some guy that helped in the bombing comes in and claims to regret what they did. Either way, it was bluntly obvious that he was playing it out. |
Yeah but chances are that guy was just following orders to drop the bomb. |
| Quote: | | Either way, it was bluntly obvious that he was playing it out. |
And i'm being serious here. :C |
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Popple
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:49 pm
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If the war would have gone on any longer millions of lives would have been lost on both sides.
We warned Japan about the nukes before we dropped them, they let civilians die.
If you replied no to this topic you have absolutely no clue about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
Japan was not an innocent country, at least not it's leaders.
They cared nothing for their people and saw they as tools for gaining a global foot hold to begin a world wide campaign.
Was it ethical? No.
Was it morally correct? No.
Was it necessary? Yes.
Sometimes being the most powerful man in the world means you need to make the decisions other can't
Newer politicians could learn a lot from Truman. |
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Ruki Motomiya
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:16 am
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It was justified, but NOT because of World War II.
It was justified because otherwise, we probably would of nuked the shit out of someone who had nukes at one point. And then they would nuke us back.
The whole point of the nuclear bomb is to stop other nukes, really, via M.A.D.
And the basic reason that Little Boy and Fat Man were dropped was to show the world "Hey, we have nukes, don't **** with us." more than to end the war, IMHO. And their use has certainly stopped us from nuking ourselves to the stone age and beyond, huh?
The loss of life at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was, indeed, an unfortunate and sad thing, but in some ways, I think of it as one of the "nesscary evils" that this world has. Just because it showed the world what a nuke can do and why we wouldn't be able to just throw them around silly-willy at people.
Though, we'll probably all pay for it when Japan finishes their giant mecha program... |
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The Axolotl Sympathist
Geno
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:20 am
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| Popple wrote: | | If you replied no to this topic you have absolutely no clue about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. |
That is a false statement. I've been studying the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings now for what... about a month, I'd say. I know a lot more than a large majority of people would, after reading 24 articles/books/speeches and watching 3 or 4 movies on it.
I'm standing firm to my "no". My reason: If we could silently fly over Hiroshima and Nagasaki to drop the atomic bombs, then we could have had an actual group of planes fly over and strategically take out military bases only (which was highly possible). Japan was considering surrender as it was, because the USSR would have gotten involved, and Japan wasn't very fond of fighting on all fronts, especially against two HUGE world powers. Also, propaganda played a huge part in winning this war. I can guarantee that if America hadn't said as much false information as it did, We would most likely not have supported the bomb as much.
The estimated death toll was nowhere near millions: that's just what the government told us. More recent studies have shown that maybe 50,000 total deaths would have resulted from an invasion. Also, a lot of government figureheads said we dropped leaflets over the two cities warning them. This is a lie, as a vast majority of sources said we did not drop any such warnings. And even if you pretend that we had dropped them, they would have most likely been in English, which next to no one in Japan would have known at the time.
We gave the leaders fair warning, sure. Maybe if we would have warned the citizens, too, it would have been more justified. If they knew to evacuate, then we would have a better chance to show off what the bomb can do, and the remaining people in the cities would have been there on their own choice. The awesome power of the bombs would have been displayed, and a good number of innocent lives would be saved. Not every person in Japan was hellbent on war. A lot just wanted to live life.
Japan killed about 2,000 people at Pearl Harbor. We, as president Truman stated, "repayed them many fold". I don't see how this is repayment. They killed almost 100% military personnel, and we repay them by killing a vast majority of citizens...? Doesn't add up, if you ask me. |
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Miku Hatsune
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:34 am
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| Tsuki wrote: | wait wtf
I thought America and Japan were buddies now. D: |
Pearl Harbor. >:U |
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