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apelsz
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 Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:44 am
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| Zelnor wrote: | I had a really strange idea about a week ago when I was under the shower, and I feel like sharing.
It is common knowledge that a sufficiently large mass of matter distorts spacetime around itself.
As we go up from the first dimension (line) to the second (square), the third (cube) and then the fourth (tesseract) we add more and more potential for information to objects.
A line has only length, a square length and width, etc. Similarly, there is only an x-coordinate in 1d-space, x and Y in 2D, x,y and z in 3d.
Quantum physicists have proposed that the universe contains up to eleven dimensions, most of the higher ones curled up in themselves in strings.
My theory may therefore be completely faulty, as I only assume the existence of four "properties" in matter; that is, x, y, z, and time-coordiantes and attributes.
If you super condense normal matter, you will, as the mass increases, distort the spacetime continuum more and more until the matter collapses on itself, creating a black hole complete with an event horizon beyond with the laws of physics are given the finger.
I propose doing something similiar, but not using conventional matter.
Using the aforementioned four coordinates / properties I argue that most matter in our universe is, on average, 2.5 dimensional (1+2+3+4=10; 10/4 = 2,5) but fluctuates across dimensions. I propose the existence of a type of particle, energy or energy-particle that allows matter to exhibit dimensional characteristics and saturates our universe.
If most matter exists in all four dimensions (on average 2.5D [which explains why there is always so little time, ha ha.]) and distorts them, then that distortion due to accumulation must be an effect of the dimension-assigning energy.
If this were true, then the following should be possible:
* To isolate matter from the dimensional properties
* To manipulate these properties, e.g. creating purely 3D matter (static in time) or even lesser dimensional matter
* To create 4d matter.
If the creation of purely fourdimensional matter is possible, then any sufficiently large mass of 4D matter should warp the fourth dimension, time, around it.
Just be careful not to super condense it too much, or you might create the time-equivalent of a black hole, which would either suck all time in the vicinity into itself, or do something even weirder.
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... You came up with this while you were in the shower...  In the shower I can't even think of what I'm going to do when I get out of it! |
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Parabuzzy Queen
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:40 am
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Tesseracts are love. You discussing them is also love.
I would post something more coherent, but in all honesty you broke my brain.
You should really be a theoretical physicist when you grow up. You're gonna wind up being the next Einstein or something, I swear to God. :3 |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:57 am
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I'm sorry, but I really don't think so; I hate mathematics with a passion. I just happened to have an idea accompanied by a really strange feeling.
... *kidnaps Geno and hangs him up on the veranda* MOLEST HIM, SPIRITS ! NOT ME !
But eh, I'll hang on to the idea; who knows, maybe it will lead somewhere.
| Quote: | Also how do you extract a property of matter, from Bartz post im assuming that if you can get a form of matter to reach absolute zero then it will be in some form where you can extract properties from it
Wouldnt you be constructing something similar to a black hole on the earths surface, which would begin sucking in all the matter from the planet, And if to actually reach another area of time, wouldnt a similar portal appear there also sucking in particles, when they would eventually crash inbetween dimensions |
That's where my idea ends. I only theorized that there's something in matter that goes "You have one-, two-, three- and four-dimensional qualities...bitch." and if we can take the part about four-dimensional qualities out and condense the ensuing 4D-matter, it might warp not all of spacetime (as any great amount of normal matter does) but only time, which would theoretically enable time travel by moving along the distortion.
I just had a new idea; similiar as to how in the event horizon of a black hole, time is compressed, the way we'd travel along those distortions would not be travel at all.
Let me put that in better terms.
Futurama. Remember the show ? In it, the Planet Express ship does not move through space; its dark matter-powered engines move the universe around it.
Similarly, this hypothetical 4D distortion would not make us move through time; it would move time around itself.
The closer we'd be to the center of the distortion, the more compressed time would be. That means that probably we'd just age rapidly and then crumble to dust.
I just invented a doomsday device.
...Uh-oh.
EDIT: If we were to manage to put up an inverse compression of time around a vessel (rocket-propelled capable of travelling on land and in sea and air, if possible, to look cool and be able to adapt to any environment), then ensure that where we wish to travel we wouldn't get stuck in any sort of object (and that objects hypothetically passing through us whilst we cross their coordinates in time), then it might work.
I mean, that... Ach.
Imagine... being dumped into a pool of lava, but having a cooling field around you that adapt as to exactly cancel out the temperature of the lava, even if it changes.
In the machine itself, that would mean creating a large time distortion, then creating a smaller time distortion of opposite polarity around the vessel.
That might, however, just cancel out the large distortion.
I can Feel my obsessive character traits kicking in; this is going to haunt my brain forever. I hate nothing more then imperfections.
| Quote: | | Okay smartass, let's go back to the future then! |
Gladly. I see you're willing to both supply the necessary funding, locations and test subjects. Just sit in that chair over there.
Now relax. This will not hurt at all.
Unless something really very bad happens.
| apelsz wrote: | | ... You came up with this while you were in the shower... :shock: In the shower I can't even think of what I'm going to do when I get out of it! |
I'm going to quote this out of context and leave it at that. |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:51 pm
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(: futurmama is the best show ever also id prefer if no one ever used any idea from that show ever, cause it would *crag* us up forever |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:13 am
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a⋅nal⋅o⋅gy
/əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -gies.
1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.Biology. an analogous relationship.
4.Linguistics.
a.the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
b.a form resulting from such a process.
5.Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.
Origin:
1530–40; < L analogia < Gk. See analogous, -y 3
—Synonyms
1. comparison, likeness, resemblance, similitude, affinity. 2. correspondence. |
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RaveRaze
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:19 am
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| Zelnor wrote: | | Quote: |
a⋅nal⋅o⋅gy
/əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -gies.
1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.Biology. an analogous relationship.
4.Linguistics.
a.the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
b.a form resulting from such a process.
5.Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.
Origin:
1530–40; < L analogia < Gk. See analogous, -y 3
—Synonyms
1. comparison, likeness, resemblance, similitude, affinity. 2. correspondence. |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:35 am
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As I told Zelnor over MSN, I personally think that there are no things that are 4d, 3d, or 2d, except 1d objects in varying orientations, forming what appears to be 2d, 3d or 4d objects.
What binds them would be at the sub-sub-sub-subatomic level, from my guess. The very fabric of the universe, really. |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:20 am
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| Bartz Klauser wrote: | As I told Zelnor over MSN, I personally think that there are no things that are 4d, 3d, or 2d, except 1d objects in varying orientations, forming what appears to be 2d, 3d or 4d objects.
What binds them would be at the sub-sub-sub-subatomic level, from my guess. The very fabric of the universe, really. |
If the feds kidnap me because you used insecure channels, future me is going to kill your grandfather. |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:06 pm
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| Zelnor wrote: | | Bartz Klauser wrote: | As I told Zelnor over MSN, I personally think that there are no things that are 4d, 3d, or 2d, except 1d objects in varying orientations, forming what appears to be 2d, 3d or 4d objects.
What binds them would be at the sub-sub-sub-subatomic level, from my guess. The very fabric of the universe, really. |
If the feds kidnap me because you used insecure channels, future me is going to kill your grandfather. |
Not if I perfect time travel first. |
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That rich guy
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:32 pm
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| Pure-??? wrote: | | Didn't I tell you about tesseracts? God they're painful to think about. |
No response here?
Anyway, very interesting article. what if the 5th dimension is hyperspace? Now I'm just rambling. |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:12 am
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Well, many Sci-Fi novels theorize that by distorting the 5th dimension, we'd be able to go really really fast in the third.
I wonder if you could utilize the whole "distort one dimension" thing on the third. Then you'd have - SPACE TRAVEL.
Oh god I'm such a genius. </derp>
Back onto seriousness. |
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Paper Peach
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 9:37 am
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I freaken love you Zelnor. You're a genius.
If it wasn't for the fact that I just woke up and my brain is all fuzzy, I'd pobably have something else to say.... |
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Bartz Klauser
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 9:44 am
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Oh, Zelnor, if my theory is right, then think about what splitting those particles would do.
A nuclear bomb to an exponential level. I don't know the magnitude of it. Hell, I don't want to know the magnitude. |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:43 pm
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We've increased the potential doomsday machine count in this topic on . Take that, GameFaqs.
... Mine is doomier then yours. |
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