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Token Nazi?
Zelnor
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 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:19 am
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Well, wow. I guess one cannot have enough crises these days.
Like half a year back, I got an invitation to confirmation lessons, which however started at the exact time I usually just come home from school, having to take the train to get there and home again.
So I and my mum discussed it, and in my memory it was "I don't think I can make it" " 'k. " and that was it.
Well, this weekend was confirmation, and I wasn't there ever. Now yesterday at lunch, we had a nice shitstorm for desert when my mom let out that it meant much to her and that apparently no, I could not go for another chance because that would be in two years and by then I would be too old (Make a pedophile joke at your own risk) for that.
Aside from wondering if that makes me not belong to my own religion anymore (and detracts subsequent benifetis) I wondered what that did and if it had been necessary, so I googled around.
Apparently, I cannot marry in a church or be someone's best man if not confirmed.
Though I read on, and on some forums, people still have married; some have had young priests who let it slide, others had "gone on the way to confirmation" in time for their marriage.
And, for some reason, I was really upset. I though I was gonna go to hell or something, I don't know. Seems really stupid in hindsight, but I wondered whether I had just - well, accidentally my religion. Apparently not, because these rites are all introduced by the church and not part of the core religion, though they refer to some dude who had his feet washed which is aparently the same.
Well, I wondered how much it suddenly meant to me, and thought of how much it defined me - and why the hell I thought I'd go to hell.
I don't even believe in it, I'm not a bad person and there's, you know, the whole Jesus thing.
Therefore, I spend the rest of my day angsting about death, questioning my beliefs, and their validity.
Oh, also I had the flu and felt shitty. Fun times. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:42 am
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| Quote: | | I though I was gonna go to hell or something, I don't know. |
"If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. Hell is the drooling dream of a sadist; if it existed, it would be reserved for those who slandered God by inventing hell." -semi-butchered quote by Isaac Asimov |
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Token Nazi?
Zelnor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:10 am
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| Quote: | | "If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. Hell is the drooling dream of a sadist; if it existed, it would be reserved for those who slandered God by inventing hell." -semi-butchered quote by Isaac Asimov |
This rather much sums up some of what I think: Isn't the general consensus of Jesus "Well, some people are pretty much assholes. Still, I made them, so I'll take care of 'em, too. Suck it, Death."
I think the catholic church went a little bit far in their quest to get people in or money or whatever, and now this historical baggage hinders us.
Thanks, Cid, I dunno why but this makes me feel better.
... Seriously, why would an omniscient being not know what is generally defined as good morality. |
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Francis
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:59 am
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Nice that it got you to think about why you do these rituals and traditions. Many people go their whole lives and never stop to think about it.
Even if the Catholic church kicks you out of their club, the good news is that God doesn't care either way. And if you want to be involved with a church, there are plenty of others to choose from.
But that doesn't mean you should tell your mother to go crag off when she asks you to partake in stuff important to the family. |
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Token Nazi?
Zelnor
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:28 am
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| Francis wrote: | Nice that it got you to think about why you do these rituals and traditions. Many people go their whole lives and never stop to think about it.
Even if the Catholic church kicks you out of their club, the good news is that God doesn't care either way. And if you want to be involved with a church, there are plenty of others to choose from.
But that doesn't mean you should tell your mother to go crag off when she asks you to partake in stuff important to the family. |
I didn't. I would have to be a lot ruder then I hope I am to do that; she just thought "He's gonna argue, and we know how that ends recenty", so she didn't say she cared.
If I'm still in Germany in two years, I'll try to catch up on it. I think it is important to me to feel as part of modern religion as well as ancient one (even though sometimes I wonder.)
Actually, yeah. I read Terry Pratchetts' "Small Gods", and there is a story of an ancient god, who died because the people changed and beleived more in the rites of his religion then him. '
I don't think God can die, but sometimes I wonder if we're still accurately representing the values, beliefs and rules that Jesus taught us. |
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