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[Lord Krump]

Note- This thread is from a man's perspective, as I wouldn't know what it feels like to get aroused as a woman. Also, some of the language used here might seem crass or unproffesional, but that's because we're bringing this down to a "common level" that anyone can relate to, to make it easier for us to understand sexuality.

The question isn't really relevant in determining the morality of it, but what the hey. Do you believe it is caused by choice, genetics, pyschology, environment, or a little bit of it all?

Alright, so, for anyone out there reading this that claims that homosexuality is a choice. I'm no biologist, but whether sexuality or fetishism arises from biology or environmental factors, it definitely isn't a matter of choice. Some conservatives may use the argument, "Well, homosexuality must be a choice, because you choose whether to have sex with men or not."

No. That is not choosing to not be homosexual, that is choosing to not act upon your sexuality. Looking at gay porn isn't choosing to be homosexual, it's choosing to satisfy your sexual desires. Any guy here should agree that you don't need to think really hard to get a boner; most of the time, it just happens when you see something you find sexually attractive. If you're disagreeing, most likely you're

A). Lying to give your argument merit; I can't turn on *crag* without looking at porn or looking at or visualizing hawt ladiez (Or menz), so you most likely can't or

B). You have psychic powers that enable you to give yourself boners without needing to see or visualize something that is attractive.

Otherwise, you know that neither you nor me can force ourselves in to finding men attractive; we could probably experiment and have sex with men, though (But I wouldn't, because I wouldn't get any enjoyment out of it if I wasn't aroused by them).

Second, even if someone could choose what sex they were attracted to (Which is pretty much false looking at the boner argument, which is something guys anywhere should be able to agree upon), who the *crag* would choose to be openly attracted to people of the same sex when it's such a huge taboo? I mean, sure, I can imagine someone who is completely stupid choosing to be labeled "gay" (There are plenty of pseudo-homosexuals who aren't really gay but choose to be gay for attention purposes, which I believe is something that I brought up in an earlier thread of mine), but I don't see why any intelligent individual who wants to be taken seriously in society would choose to follow a sexual lifestyle that is so controversial (Note that this is a problem with society, as society shouldn't have a problem with people's private sexual business).

What do I believe about homosexuality and fetishism? Personally, it may have been a number of biological, psychological, and environmental traits that shaped the individual during their sexual development. It could be something involving hormones, or it could be a number of environmental factors. But there's one thing that's certain: it isn't a matter of choice. The only choice involved is the choice to partake in sexual activity corresponding to your sexuality.

Hell, I have a few weird fetishes; I've had them as long as I can remember, ever since I was a kid (But I didn't really discover the significance of them until my teen years.) I just started looking at the porn that corresponded to the fetishes, was aroused, and said, "Hey, this is like the stuff that made *crag* feel funny as a kid."

Of course, it wouldn't be fair to not mention that sexuality is a very complex matter and that studies demonstrating sexuality as a biological factor are only beginning to surface. It is still possible that the causes of one's sexuality may be different for each individual; one may have a hormonal or chromosomal imbalance or some junk like that, or it may be result of environmental factors. For the average individual, however, it can't be choice. Maybe some people out there are able to psychologically condition themselves to be attracted to members of the same sex or having fetishes (I don't see why they would, considering the social stigmas attatched), but they certainly aren't within the majority (And even then, they wouldn't be naturally attracted to individuals of the same sex, as they would have to condition themselves to be attracted; most likely by associating what they are trying to be attracted to with features of what they are currently attracted to).

So, the idea that homosexuality is a choice is false. Alright, discuss. I'm holding the negative assertion (It is not true that homosexuality is a choice), so in the debate against me, you will be holding the positive assertion (It is true that homosexuality is a choice), so the burden of proof is on you.

[lovegod703]

That's my whole opinion. I couldn't have typed/said it better than you, but I have the EXACT same perspective.

[Para]

I agree with the above posts.
I do recall reading something about one's sexuality being majorly influenced by genetics.

I always figured fetishes were more caused by psychological/environmental factors, though.

[Typhoon™]

I think homosexuality is influenced by both. Genetics might play a huge factor into it, but I believe it mostly deals with self-choice.

[Goron Mask]

Homosexuality is like every other fetish and sexual preference that ever existed except for the fact that it involves gender. Part of it is a choice and the other part of it is experience and influence. It isn't some big drawn out genetic biological bullshit like most pro-gay propaganda shits out on a daily basis. Saying being gay is genetic and predetermined is like saying that all of our interests and moral values are predetermined before birth before we exit the womb. The whole *crag* thing is blown out of proportion.

[Cherry]

It's been said that criminals are made, not born.

What say you to things such as *crag* fetishes, and obsessions with pain and injury (of self and others alike)?

Would you say THOSE are born with, or developed over time, as a matter of the mind morphing into them?

[Lord Krump]

[Popple]

You do realize Digibutter is like the absolute worst place to post something like this right.

[Lord Krump]

[Popple]

[lovegod703]

And me.

[Cherry]

The reason I chose socially undesirable fetishes is because of the first sentence. The idea that the mind changes over time to adapt to new things that happen in life.

I suppose in the end, the answer lies in your definition of the word "choice" given the context. Having the fetish is not a choice, as has already been addressed (and I admit I didn't think that one through enough). But one might still define acting on the fetish being a key part in choice.

So, yeah, all dancing around words aside, I agree with what you've said.

[bobzearth42]

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