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Zelnor
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:22 pm
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Yes, that's right. I know the topic is not in the most correct of forums, but I expect more of a serious discussion in here and also this is a tach forum.
So, our beloved government wants to spy on us, especiually on our computers, in the fight against terorrism. No, in the WAR against terrorism.
One sentence: "ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS ? THAT THING CAN F**K RIGHT OFF !"
I see it as an infringement of my personality rights. Plus, I'm doing some "shady" fansub-related stuff (technically in a grey zone, I think) and don't want to have to shell out a fee.
Your opinions ?
BTW, the americans spy on everyones chat conversations and telephone stuff. THANK YOU AMERICA !
CANT YOU KEEP YOUR *crag* SPIES IN THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT'S YOURS ?
I'm really enraged by that. I mean, this is not their bloody country ! they can spy on their people ,yes, and don't even start with "We have to protect america !" I men, in the case of 9/11, there were dozends of clues that they want to kill the WTC anybody anyone listen ? No ? WHAT A SURPRISE ! (Sorry, I'M JUST SO PISSED OFF !) If they can't take hard evidences, they might want to stay int heir country before they take off the training wheels and go fish in other peoples' homes.
I mean, okay, You have to decide - Freedom or Security ? I found the previous blend okay. But recently, I think me move dangerously close to the start of 1984. If there's terrorist in here, they could possibly have a SUSPICION first before HIJACKING their computers, not infest everyone with it.
If I remember correctly, I have thje right to be considered innocent until proven guilty.
And yes, I know the second something is blown to shambles in front of me I will most possibly change my mind, but in the actual state, I'd say they get their trojan into the Recycle Bin. And then right-click onto the Recycle Bin and select "Empty Recycle Bin". Or use Tune-Up Shredder.
Your opinions ?
Oh, and also it shall become illegal once the trojan is out to protect against it or delete it.
I can see the hackers trying to crack it.
Please, someone do research and tell me they burnt the plans. And dances on the ashes. |
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Francis
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:09 pm
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Moved to General Discussion... its more of a discussion of privacy rather than technology. Could you perhaps explain more about what this trojan does, or maybe a link to a news article or something? Less ranting, more facts please. |
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What's up, slick?
Doo_liss
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That's just plain screwed up, slick. Where are your rights? We have the right in which to have our own privacy esepcially on the internet and in the security of our homes. What if, however, a hacker gets hold of this type of virus? Not only will their privacy be endangered but also may endanger their credit card details and billing details, perhaps even passwords to Bank Account, Ebay and other online databases. That's the problem with the internet, slick, you can never trust anyone, as you have no idea who is behind that screen on the receiving end. The internet needs heightened restrictions and security, not spying viruses and corrputions, slick! |
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Mariofan9
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I remember hearing that a few guys did a test by sending each other mails planning a bomb attack, and it didn't take long for the police to show up in their houses.
They see exactly what you see, type and browse. That's pretty messed up. |
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Tails Doll
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:56 pm
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As soon as this violates the constitution, our country will be free from this mess. Sorry, though, Zelnor. You live in Germany, not the USA, so you're gonna have to wait. |
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Yoshio
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:41 am
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as Ben Franklin once said: "those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
our governements are traitorous and messed up
never had such a dim view until recently |
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Zelnor
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:18 pm
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A link to the Spiegel (recommmended german news magazine): http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,502955,00.html
And our Constitution gives us the right to privacy, too.
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_privacy wrote: | Europe
The right to data privacy is heavily regulated and rigidly enforced in Europe. Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) provides a right to respect for one's "private and family life, his home and his correspondence", subject to certain restrictions. The European Court of Human Rights has given this article a very broad interpretation in its jurisprudence. According to the Court's case law the collection of information by officials of the state about an individual without his consent always falls within the scope of Article 8. Thus, gathering information for the official census, recording fingerprints and photographs in a police register, collecting medical data or details of personal expenditures and implementing a system of personal identification have been judged to raise data privacy issues. Any state interference with a person's privacy is only acceptable for the Court if three conditions are fulfilled: (1) the interference is in accordance with the law, (2) pursues a legitimate goal and (3) is necessary in a democratic society. For more information, please refer to Human Rights Handbook no. 1 (PDF) or the Council of Europe data protection page.
The government is not the only entity which may pose a threat to data privacy. Other citizens, and private companies most importantly, engage in far more threatening activities, especially since the automated processing of data became widespread. The Convention for the Protection of Individuals with regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data was concluded within the Council of Europe in 1981. This convention obliges the signatories to enact legislation concerning the automatic processing of personal data, which many duly did.
As all the member states of the European Union are also signatories of the European Convention on Human Rights and the Convention for the Protection of Individuals with regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data, the European Commission was concerned that diverging data protection legislation would emerge and impede the free flow of data within the EU zone. Therefore the European Commission decided to harmonize data protection regulation and proposed the Directive on the protection of personal data, which member states had to transpose into law by the end of 1998.
The directive contains a number of key principles which must be complied with. Anyone processing personal data must comply with the eight enforceable principles of good practice.
They say that data must be:
* Fairly and lawfully processed.
* Processed for limited purposes.
* Adequate, relevant and not excessive.
* Accurate.
* Not kept longer than necessary.
* Processed in accordance with the data subject's rights.
* Secure.
* Not transferred to countries without adequate protection.
Personal data covers both facts and opinions about the individual. It also includes information regarding the intentions of the data controller towards the individual, although in some limited circumstances exemptions will apply. With processing, the definition is far wider than before. For example, it incorporates the concepts of 'obtaining', 'holding' and 'disclosing'. For more details on these data principles, read the article about the directive on the protection of personal data or visit the EU data protection page.
All EU member states adopted legislation pursuant this directive or adapted their existing laws. Each country also has its own supervisory authority to monitor the level of protection.
* In the United Kingdom the Data Protection Act 1984 was repealed by the Data Protection Act 1998. For details, visit U.K. data protection page or read the article about the Information Commissioner
* France adapted its existing law (law no. 78-17 of 6 January 1978 concerning information technology, files and civil liberties). More information is available on the website of the CNIL CNIL (in French only) (Commission Nationale de l'Informatique et des Libertés)
* In Germany both the federal government and the states enacted legislation. For details, visit the page of the Federal Data Protection Commissioner (Bundesbeauftragter für den Datenschutz).
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That should just about make it clear. And I'm still angry. |
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Djacwmwfin
Joshamuffin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:01 pm
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That sucks. I hope this blows over quickly and doesn't effect you much. |
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Zelnor
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:51 am
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... I expected some deep discussion... I think it isn't upon me yet...
Well, I just think it interfered with my human rights - I have the right to liberty and privacy, and I'm to be considered innocent until proven guilty. They can't just spy on me, I haven't done anything ! I am not a terrorist. |
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Francis
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:10 am
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The logistics of such a "trojan" are practically impossible. The only feasable thing they could do is monitor what you pull down through your Internet Service Provider, much like tapping your phone. Planting a bug on everyone's computer? Not possible. They should just leave that talk for the next Die Hard movie script.
How would they fit all those bugs through the tiny series of tubes? |
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Zelnor
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They use ANTS instead.
Duh.
((Well, let's hope it's not feasible - It's not like my country has money to burn, huh, AMERICA ?  )) |
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MsDevin92
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...Wait, WHAT?! D<
This is BULL. This is freaking BULL. The phone thing already had me p'd off.l But this is BULL. D< |
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