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Super ShadowArticuno
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 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:27 pm
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| Twytch wrote: | | ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Twytch wrote: | | And besides, most people whom these cases relate to aren't ready for a child. It won't only have a horrible life, but it'll contribute to over-population. |
Exactly. If abortion were to be completely banned, not only would we be overpopulated, but there would be many more child abuse cases all over the world.
And that issue is already bad enough. |
Exactly. And it would help Stem Cell research, something I support even more as well. |
I never thought of that.
Less child abuse, less population overflow, AND a further step in medical sciences... |
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Ocelot
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:29 pm
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| ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Twytch wrote: | | ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Twytch wrote: | | And besides, most people whom these cases relate to aren't ready for a child. It won't only have a horrible life, but it'll contribute to over-population. |
Exactly. If abortion were to be completely banned, not only would we be overpopulated, but there would be many more child abuse cases all over the world.
And that issue is already bad enough. |
Exactly. And it would help Stem Cell research, something I support even more as well. |
I never thought of that.
Less child abuse, less population overflow, AND a further step in medical sciences... |
All just for getting laid, and turning on a vacuum. (J/K. >_>) |
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Super ShadowArticuno
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:33 pm
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| Twytch wrote: | | On abortion, ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Less child abuse, less population overflow, AND a further step in medical sciences... |
All just for getting laid, and turning on a vacuum. (J/K. >_>) |
I think I found myself a new sig. |
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Ocelot
Twytch
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:35 pm
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| ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Twytch wrote: | | On abortion, ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Less child abuse, less population overflow, AND a further step in medical sciences... |
All just for getting laid, and turning on a vacuum. (J/K. >_>) |
I think I found myself a new sig. |
2 sigs in one day? xD
I think I've made a record. |
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:23 pm
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In my opinion it's up to the parent. If they really want to get rid of the baby then they should do it; otherwise the couple will have too much on their hands. |
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Abstract
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:40 pm
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Okay, here we go.
In my opinion, abortion is fine, depending on the circumstances.
If a woman is *cragged*, then it's alright to get an abortion. She had no control.
If it's an accident, it's alright. Saying that accidental pregnancy isn't a good enough reason is basically punishing the woman for something that she didn't want.
If the woman realizes that she simply cannot raise a child, whether it be because of financial reasons (money for college funds, school, food, etc.) or simply not being ready for motherhood, then it's fine as well. It would be better to prevent the birth than have the child live a horrible life. Of course, in this case, the mother COULD put the child up for adoption, but it's still her choice.
Of course, with that said, one should always try their best to avoid accidental pregnancies, and make sure that they are ready to be a mother before intentional ones. |
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Black Yoshi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:51 pm
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| AbstractThoughts wrote: | Okay, here we go.
In my opinion, abortion is fine, depending on the circumstances.
If a woman is *cragged*, then it's alright to get an abortion. She had no control.
If it's an accident, it's alright. Saying that accidental pregnancy isn't a good enough reason is basically punishing the woman for something that she didn't want.
If the woman realizes that she simply cannot raise a child, whether it be because of financial reasons (money for college funds, school, food, etc.) or simply not being ready for motherhood, then it's fine as well. It would be better to prevent the birth than have the child live a horrible life. Of course, in this case, the mother COULD put the child up for adoption, but it's still her choice.
Of course, with that said, one should always try their best to avoid accidental pregnancies, and make sure that they are ready to be a mother before intentional ones. |
You summed it up perfectly for me. In those situations, it is potentially worse for the woman/family without the abortion... |
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Elite Nerr
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:34 am
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So, if abortions are fine for whatever reason, where do you draw the line? When does it change from convienence to murder?
Before the third trimester?
Before he/she pops out?
Before you cut the umbilical cord?
Before he/she can crawl?
Before he/she can speak?
Before it can live on it's own?
Im just saying that it's a very slippery slope to condone the ending of life. In the womb you view the baby as a part of the mother, but the very second it leaves, it is suddenly an individual with rights. How do you explain that? 
IMO, it is better to live, even in bad circumstances. Although abortion still has its uses (like to protect the life of the mother). I think the main problem is our world now views sex as merely a tool of pleasure, and the side effect is a total lack of appreciation for the miracle of life. |
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Jolene
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:59 am
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| ShadowArticuno wrote: |
Well, there's birth contro--
Wait, that could have side effects...
Spermicide?
Nah.
You're right. If they tried to have sex safely, and they didn't want a baby, it's better to abort than put it through a possible life of misery... |
Exactly. I hate the argument that the parents should have to "live with their mistake," because honestly, how would YOU feel being the kid in that situation and living your life unwanted by your own parents, and just being their "mistake."
Putting it up for adoption, also, isn't a very good bet. As someone who spent time in a mental hospital for suicidal teens... half the teens in there were kids that were put up for adoption by parents that didn't want them, and spent most of their lives floating from foster home to foster home. And all of them identified the reason that they wanted to kill themselves as not having loving parents. They all said that they rather would have been aborted quickly and painlessly than have to suffer 13+ years not wanted by anyone.
Adoption is not all fluffy happy land. Some kids just don't get adopted. And the longer they go without getting adopted, the lesser their chances are, because everyone wants to adopt a baby and no one wants a troubled teen.
And, like everybody said, less population overflow. Less child abuse. Medical sciences.
And the sooner you have it done, the more likely it is that your fetus was just a bundle of cells and didn't feel anything.
I believe our laws should remain just as they are, abortion in the first two trimesters is legal but it's illegal in the third trimester.
... I'd also reccomend the book "Unwind" by Neal Shusterman, too. |
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Cherry
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:17 am
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I'm pro choice.
If a female wants to get pregnant, there's no reason to abort.
If a female doesn't want to get pregnant, the she should be aloud the choice. Be it rape (it's a serious discussion, people. Crag doesn't make it evident), a faulty condom, or simply not using protection, sometimes it's best for the baby to not be born.
Put yourself in the child's shoes. Would you want to live with being your parent's horrible mistake? I'd probably commit suicide if that were the case for me. |
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lightening
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:21 am
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| Twytch wrote: | | ShadowArticuno wrote: | | Twytch wrote: | | And besides, most people whom these cases relate to aren't ready for a child. It won't only have a horrible life, but it'll contribute to over-population. |
Exactly. If abortion were to be completely banned, not only would we be overpopulated, but there would be many more child abuse cases all over the world.
And that issue is already bad enough. |
Exactly. And it would help Stem Cell research, something I support even more as well. |
you can do stem cell research usingless important cells, such as certain forms of skin cells
my opinion | Francis wrote: | So, if abortions are fine for whatever reason, where do you draw the line? When does it change from convienence to murder?
Before the third trimester?
Before he/she pops out?
Before you cut the umbilical cord?
Before he/she can crawl?
Before he/she can speak?
Before it can live on it's own?
Im just saying that it's a very slippery slope to condone the ending of life. In the womb you view the baby as a part of the mother, but the very second it leaves, it is suddenly an individual with rights. How do you explain that?
IMO, it is better to live, even in bad circumstances. Although abortion still has its uses (like to protect the life of the mother). I think the main problem is our world now views sex as merely a tool of pleasure, and the side effect is a total lack of appreciation for the miracle of life. |
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s-kill
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:35 pm
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| Francis wrote: | So, if abortions are fine for whatever reason, where do you draw the line? When does it change from convienence to murder?
Before the third trimester?
Before he/she pops out?
Before you cut the umbilical cord?
Before he/she can crawl?
Before he/she can speak?
Before it can live on it's own?
Im just saying that it's a very slippery slope to condone the ending of life. In the womb you view the baby as a part of the mother, but the very second it leaves, it is suddenly an individual with rights. How do you explain that?
IMO, it is better to live, even in bad circumstances. Although abortion still has its uses (like to protect the life of the mother). I think the main problem is our world now views sex as merely a tool of pleasure, and the side effect is a total lack of appreciation for the miracle of life. |
ture dat. a baby is a life too. you dont know what if the baby is the next scientist that cures aids or stops global warming(tho impossible). Plus your older then the baby and u had a chance to live if ur going to die from pregnancy at least give someone else a chance to live. |
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Cid
Lord Krump
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:52 pm
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| s-kill wrote: | | Plus your older then the baby and u had a chance to live if ur going to die from pregnancy at least give someone else a chance to live. |
I've seen that arguement before. Whose to say when someone has lived enough of their life, though? I believe that it should be used for life-protection, and I don't believe that "if one has lived enough" is an aspect that should be judged. It could be a younger woman in her 20's or 30's who has the risk, afterall. |
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CFH
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:23 pm
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The flame shield is put up.
*crag* the morals, there needs to be more abortion. Earth is overpopulated, 26 kids are born every second, etc. |
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Super ShadowArticuno
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:34 pm
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| Francis wrote: | So, if abortions are fine for whatever reason, where do you draw the line? When does it change from convienence to murder?
Before the third trimester?
Before he/she pops out?
Before you cut the umbilical cord?
Before he/she can crawl?
Before he/she can speak?
Before it can live on it's own?
Im just saying that it's a very slippery slope to condone the ending of life. In the womb you view the baby as a part of the mother, but the very second it leaves, it is suddenly an individual with rights. How do you explain that? :?
IMO, it is better to live, even in bad circumstances. Although abortion still has its uses (like to protect the life of the mother). I think the main problem is our world now views sex as merely a tool of pleasure, and the side effect is a total lack of appreciation for the miracle of life. |
Your point about sex being merely a pleasure tool may be true, but, I'm sorry, Francis, you fail to see that if the parents wanted to abort and end up not loving the kid, neglecting it, the child will probably not get all the rights it deserves.
As Jolene said, it should stay as it already is.
@Crump: You forgot to mention that the child would also grow up without a mother. Not all fathers make the best parents... My life, personally, would be terrible and I may not even be here right now. |
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