digibutter.nerr

[Admiral Bobbery]

Before I begin, I would like to say that this is a serious discussion and I would prefer if no one accuses anyone of anything. Any behavior that is considered inappropriate for this discussion, will not be tolerated.

I remember the days, when the Nerr spirit was high up, and we all were such great friends. We were close, we said jokes, and we were in character. Super Paper Mario brought us together as well as the hi-technicaal Francis. Those were the days, but those days seem to have gone by.

Like two tribes that have their disputes over who’s land is who, is how digibutter is today. One tribe will come over and burn another one’s land to make the other tribe angry. With alliances, they will bring many more people into the situation making it worse and worse. It’s seems chaotic, people get more bitter, and violent, and more pessimistic. It just seems that there is no way out of it. Ah, but if everybody is dead, won’t it be all better? No, the survivors who lived on the lands would be scarred for life and their names will go in infamy. Sadly to say, it seems that the pessimistic demon has infiltrated our lives.

Most of us have been attacked by the pessimistic demon, and we are already scarred. It seems that digibutter is splitting into several groups defending one another, and problems, problems that grow, and that seem to not stop. As seen with the tribes, we have alliances, which cause more problems. As they seem to have likenesses of who they hate, they will see to hate the person more, because they know of someone else who has the same feelings. It has gotten chaotic, with more members entering these situations, and they get dragged into these wars, and it seems that they will be scarred and will participate in the flame wars. People are becoming more pessimistic about other people. Why? Well, it was probably something that they have done to you.

I’ve been watching more and more people being dragged in, and the demon has been taking their souls. What causes you to flame others? Mainly, what do you get out of it? I know that some of you are trying to make a point, but doesn’t it seem correct to just to talk with the other person through an instant messaging service or private messaging and just talk to each other and try to solve the problem. Isn’t it common sense to try to negotiate and try to help one another become better members and stray a far from becoming a greater enemy than we already were?

I leave you with those questions to ponder as I continue on. As we all probably have noticed fads have been growing which has becoming a problem. The spirit we once had, had been turned into a pile of fads. What causes people to start these fads? Do you feel that you will become a better member if you participate in these fads? I’m sure some of you, said that you’d feel like a better member and you’d feel like that you fit in better. That’s another problem that I’d like to point out, and that problem is a caste system.

These fads have converted some people into popularity, in which it impacts most members in real life. It seems that this is senseless to say that, but there are people here who are affected by this. Some of us believe that if we can become popular, then our lives will be filled. We spend hours and hours feeding senseless words into other people’s brains, so we can get popular. Some members who go through this, will sometimes have nobody post in their topics. They start to feel guilty for something they did, and their attitude turns out differently. They become more of a spammer by the second, craving attention, craving the popularity, and craving the members here who will respect them. They have become attached to digibutter, like a child does to their mother. If they don’t get any more attention they’ll cry and want more attention. That’s how the depression era began. More of the members here became more depressed, because they craved the attention that might make them insta-popular. They didn’t want to wait and earn everybody’s respect like a member should do. They wanted it now. Some people wanted the insta-popularity for the cookies. They wanted cookies for if they did something epic that they did, not in post quality. In my opinion, cookies have been abused and have not been given for post quality but given for people have done epic deeds. People aren’t using these for the right reasons, and that is why some people, do feel that they need to become insta-popular so that they can get the most cookies and become the most epic. Back on the subject of respecting, if everybody respected everybody the same and showed the same attention to everybody, no more, and no less, attention should be given, then I’m sure we wouldn’t find people becoming angry and going into depressions.

Also these people who go into these depressions, will then look towards anger, and hatred to solve their problems. If they feel that they are not where they should be, then they start to flame. Some of these people will feel that they can bring down the caste level down, by reducing other people’s levels of popularity, so that they will feel happier. This just drags more people into this situation, and it will make it worse. The cycle repeats and more people become like the people who have the depressions. Members, who we wouldn’t have thought to have gotten a strike, have gotten strikes because of all this pessimism. It’s changing the nerrs around, changing how they behave and the way of how they act.

I remember when I joined, that everybody was acting in character even if they didn’t have a certain character. They made themselves unique by the way they talked, even if they weren’t shown in a game. It’s all changed, and now a lot of the nerrs talk spam. Apparently for some members, some will say that this is their talking style, but for most of us, it’s considered spam. Now styles of different peoples are to flame, and to use a sense of drama to bring out a sense of popularity.

The drama at digibutter has been increasing and increasing. It’s going too extreme, and it must be brought back down. Is there a reason why there is so much drama? Does it make you feel popular and better about yourself? Do you think others will like you better if you give them some entertainment by drama? I’ve noticed that some of the members here have changed, because they have learned to love drama as a hobby so they crave more and more. The more drama, the happier they feel. They feel as if they should hurt other members, and then they can create some drama. Why do you crave this drama? Does it give you something to do and why do some of you treat it as a hobby?

I will leave you to ponder those second set of questions. Now, I’ve been also noticing that groups of members will blame other members for what has been going on. We all know that the pessimism is getting to the members. Why do we blame others? I know the answer, and that answer is because we don’t want to blame ourselves. I’m sure that there was a time that some members could have contacted another member who was depressed and you decided not to contact them about the issue. It’s ourselves to blame for this pessimism brought upon our community.

Now, with the ending of the story of the tribes, it resulted in everybody dying and other’s being scared for life. I have this feeling that this might happen to digibutter if we don’t act now. I believe, that as a community of nerrs we can make a difference. We can stop these flame wars, spam, and drama if we work as a community. We can remove the caste system and the depressions if we work as a community, and work hard to strive toward this goal. We can become that Super Paper Mario loving community that we once were. We can all be nerrs of the same status, loving and caring about each other and mostly technology. I have faith, that we can make a difference. It’s time for us to change and we need to change now.

Thank You for your time.

[Ligador]

It is the destiny of every forums to, one day, change its routes. And the cases that chose good routes are very, VERY rare.

I have been to places much more dramatic, so, I don't really mind Digibutter unless the drama goes on a HUGE explosion. And I don't mean a small even that is chilled out the next morning. I mean a huge drama barrage.

[BAMFing ARCHER]

Very good point, even though I ski;ped about half the post. I've noticed this, and it just depresses me. I mean, we can make the forum for the better, so why the heck are we making it worse? I seriously have to ask that now. The forum is not the posts, but the people who post in it.

[Frozenwinters]

I, and probably everyone else, miss the times when the only real troll was Rawrskey. We all got along, and it was only for fun and to give others the pleasure of laughter. We didn't do things to other members. We didn't stab them in the back. We just got along. And it's really the old members faults for the way things are now. They started this, and the n00bs saw that. They figured they could act like they wanted with no consequences because this is the internet. But really they do hurt people, and I think they should stop, NOW, 'K?

And I'm sure I might be one of the problems of popularity. But that's not my fault. I really don't try, people just seem to like me.

[Small Sammer Guy]

I just want no pointless flame wars and no n00bs spamming up the place.
Yeah the old digi lacked these things. :/
ah well its a little hard to get back to the old ways right now. Its POSSIBLE, but not likely.

[Nastasia]

Alright, I know I said I wasn't going to post anymore...but I'm going to say something about this. And you can just go to hell if you're going to call me an attention whore for this. >:C
I'm getting extremely tired of the way people act here too. I've considered leaving sometimes, but there's a reason I have to stay...but I'm not going to talk about that. Anyways, it's like people think that being an ass to everyone is going to make them instantly popular and they'll feel happy. I'm not saying everyone is doing this, but a lot of people are. Especially in Off-topic. Sometimes I feel so pissed off whenever I look there now...because all of the topics are either about something perverted or it's a flame war. It's like there's a constant war going on in there or something. I'm not sure if this happens in other forums here...but we still need to make this stop. A lot of people's feelings are getting hurt, and some are even getting depressed. I know you're going to say "lolz it's the internet don't take it seriously". Not everyone can handle everything the same way. Some people can be flamed forever and not even be affected by it, but others can get angry or sad by just the smallest thing. And it's not like they can control it either. The way people are acting here is seriously pissing me off. I can't say one thing without people thinking I'm an attention whore. That's why I've decided not to post anymore. I really don't want to have to stop posting, but I have no other choice...I can't handle being called an attention whore for the smallest rant I make. It's like if someone wants to share their feelings with others, it means they're an attention whore and they should go die. This is how I'm being treated. And I'm sick of it. I don't know what to do to stop it...but I'm sure we can figure out something. Hopefully soon.

[Tails Doll]

It's really too bad...I left for a month in December because of this.

[Celeste Dimentia]

Very fair point, the state of the Digibutter is not so hot at the moment. I'm depressed... was still even on my birthday... still am now. But then it doesn't really have anything to do with this site. Anyway, I only want to see the best for this place, and I try to be part of the solution rather than the problem.

[The Chaos Heart]

Digibutter...where to begin...

I'm probably the odd member out here. I joined right around the time the "conversion" happened, so I have limited knowledge of what the old Digibutter was like. Now, I'm not making myself seem special here...I am top of my class. I excell in drawing, computer, math, and writing classes. Heck, I could have been on t.v. for some leadership award. I found the idea of attention too boring though.

My point in saying that is I'm not an idiot. I don't want people saying that I don't know anything about the old digibutter so shut the hell up. I know EXACTLY what I am saying.

Digibutter is to me, the Roman Empire. This is why I often refer to it as the Digibutt Empire. Now, what happened to the Roman Empire you ask? Well, a summary would be it grew large and powerful too fast, and inevitably, crumbled upon itself. I believe this is where Digibutter is headed. We grown to such a large community too fast. Because of this, people think they can do whatever they want. This is NOT the case.

Most people, as Jr. Troopa said, spam for attention. Why is this? As I said, our community is too large. With the ammount of members we have, it's easy for newer members to be overlooked. The older members get more attention mostly because people have already otained a lasting relationship with these people. Thus, new members resort to drastic measures to be responded to in a positive way, rather than the usual' "LOL stfu nooblet. *talks to [insert old members name here]*"

Digibutters fate is inevitable. SPM is a popular game, therefor Digibutter is a popular site. The more popular the site, the faster it's lifespan burns out. If the ignored don't suck the remaining life out of Digibutter, the bandwiths will run away.It is Digibutter's fate to have it's game cut short.

[The Chaos Heart]

(Sorry for double post. Wii internet text size limits...D=<)

Having said that, that does NOT mean we can't extend the forums life a little.

I view everything as a puzzle. Life is just one giant puzzle. When you die, your puzzle is complete, and the product of your work shall display what your life was like. Our puzzle would look a lot nicer if people would stop spitting on it, smashing it, and having smex on it, hm? Members of the Digibutt Empire, attention is not everything. Heck, people on this board HATE me. I'm probably one of the most hated member on this board, if not the most. Very rarely do my posts get recodnized. I know what it is like to be new, we all do. I'm STILL new when you look at post counts.

I can promise you though that eventually, someone WILL notice you. Whether it be on this board, or another. and if your ideals can find no home, then follow in the foosteps of Timpani and Blumiere. Make a home if you must. If the Interweb rejects you all together, well, online living is still not LIFE. If you can find no friends...then come to me. There is always a purpose for you in my plans, whether you know it or not.

I know spam is fun and addicting, and most members can't understand this. Spaming and flaming is like a drug. Once you've gotten addicted, the chance of being able to stop whenever is less than 1%. It frusturates me when people complain how members won't just stop spaming. It's harder than you think. *Remembers the Candle[i]Jack incident.* Part of this is due to the lack of inforcement of the rules. But mostly, it is due to the stereotype that all newbs are n00bs. People, lighten up. Communities are supposed to be like families. Would you shun a nee born baby, or scold an adopted child the moment you say them? I pray to Grambi not!
So, what say you? shall we make the Digipuzzle an Hi-Technical tale full of nerr?[/i]

[Zelnor]

I agree, Jr. Troopa... I think I was the first one who made such a topic about, oh, ten months ago...

I think we really need, before we click, read through what we've written and think for a second.

Digibutter has been a "shining beacon" for me for very long: Good gramamr and spelling. Tolerance. Activity. Nice people, nice themes. I don't say we should be "racist" against new members, but, be it them joining so fast or us changing, the forum is not the same anymore. That's why I wish to clean out the unused accounts - I kind of want those stains top be remoived from Digibutters' past. Now as I type this I reality what crap that'd be - smudging over past mistakes prevents us to learn from them.

I have no acute wonder-cure for all our problems...
I would suggest, however, promoting good posts and long roleplays. Making a weekly column on the frontpage were we recap what happened in the week and can say what we liked, disliked and found stupid.
Mode-lock alts, I say, would be another step - as the name-tags have, I think they went out of control. Today, User titles are abused as name-tag stand-ins and alts, too.

I think we give the users here too much freedom in an age where they are prone to abuse it.

Most people here are in puberty. You change, your identity changes, your look of yourself changes. And therefore, most teenagers try out a hudred different thems to see which one they think they are.

Alts and usertitles and fads, I think, serve two purposes in the way they are being used:
A) Find yourself through different roles.
B) Get attention and praise.

Every human is like that. After Food, Water, Health and Shelter, Attention and Praise are the next big thing on the pyramid of desire - and since survival is to 99.99 % granted in todays society, attention and praise, or maybe Livin' Large, too, has become a new big thing in out society.

Having said that, I don't know if mode-locking alts and / or usertitles is such a good thing. I'm no psychologist, I can't say if restricting out freedom here for the sake of post quality is a good thing. Normally, Utopia NEVER justifies the means - questionable is if you can attribute the word "Utopia" to Digibutter anyway.

I think I'm kinda loosing my train of thoguht, so I'll stop writing here and hope I could express a few good ideas.

EDIT: People writing in all caps or having all-caps usertitles display with that the biggest sign of being under full control of puberty-induced stupidity.

EDIT2: Why do so many people think they are hated, possibly by everyone ?

Chaos Heart... I think nobody here hates you.
You say that most of your posts don't get recognized... does that mean we hate you ?

No, that means nothing more or less then that we are busy being a bunch of teenage pricks. I nkow how you feel. I even made an emo topic because of that - Shame on me - which, ironically , got one reply from frozenwinters. Not even my emo-topics get really attended. XD. I say, I even thoguht about leaving as I viewed myself expendable... But I won't. Call it arrogant, but I think without me this forum would be a little bit worse.

Oh, and the reactions in "I'm leaving" topics, for some reason, get me really angry - everyone starts posting "DUN LEAVE D: D: D: D: D:" ten times as if their grandmother was dieing, even if the member in question was a total 'tard. The only ones NOT treated like that were the Legendary Arseholes. Oh, and LAVEINMYVOLCANO.

I don't know why people don't make the effort of IC-ness or thinking anymore. I think puberty again is to blame - I should be doing homework for art and english and yet I still sit here and type my fingers down to a bloody stump.

You and I both think we deserve attention, no ? And be that right or worng - I can't say - that means we both are part of the cycle, too.

I think the biggest challenge and maybe even the biggest sacrifice a member can make in the next, say, three years, is not being himself. Or mabye being himself after all.


Now I confuse myself. Have I written a load of rubbish now ?

[The Chaos Heart]

I guess I'm one of those lucky few teens who is ok with who they are. I've only changed my identity on Digibutter once. From Dimentio, to TCH. (Though in real life, I'm a hell of a lot more like Dimentio).

[Popple]

You're being way to *crag* serious about this. Digibutter has moved from a small family like site to a larger more mainstream one. It's the destiny of all sites that seek to expand, though I suppose Digibutter really did expand on it's on.

Also, when you get a group of teens together on the internet there is always drama, that's what *crag* happens. They can't control their emotions and they seek self satisfaction through any means possible so that they can validate their exsistance. You need to just learn to deal with shit like that when it's your demographic.

[Tiptron MKII]

Digibutter is kinda nice, but no one seems to be on when I'm on.

[Tails Doll]