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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
Tyler
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:21 pm   Reply with quote

Brawl completely ruined Lucas's image. It makes him look like a wuss, which he is NOT. Not only that, but they used his kid form, which you only play as for a very small percentage of the game. Why not teen Lucas? Oh yeah, he's supposed to be a Ness clone.

Plus, I'm nearly done with MOTHER3, and he hasn't learned ANY of the moves he has in Brawl.

No PK Thunder.
No PK Starstorm.
No PK Fire.
No PK Magnet.
No PK Freeze.

Not even Ness learned PK Starstorm.

It makes me think what the hell Sakurai was thinking. :\
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:26 pm   Reply with quote

They used his kid form to match Ness.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:08 pm   Reply with quote

I really agree with you here. I'm only on Chapter 5, but Lucas doesn't seem at all like a wimp once he hits his teen years.

I think they put in Kumatora's moves because well... What else could they have put in? I'm pretty sure his Up A is PK Love, and that's really the only PK attack he has...

I didn't know that was kid Lucas. He's as tall as Ness, so I just assumed they were both 13.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:34 pm   Reply with quote

Because technically, the main character always learns mostly support PSI and the female learns all of the damage dealing PSI. I don't know why they gave them to Lucas/Ness in SSB.
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Yoshi
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:58 pm   Reply with quote

Yup. This is why I said I wish he was older in brawl, then Merlink went all paradox nag on me. D:
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Ohh, THAT makes sense!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:04 pm   Reply with quote

Glitz Yoshi wrote:
Yup. This is why I said I wish he was older in brawl, then Merlink went all paradox nag on me. D:
It's enough of a paradox already. MOTHER3 takes place a millenium after MOTHER2.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:25 am   Reply with quote

well...
It's sakurai dude. I don't think he knows anything about the mother series.

But I think they're models are based on the clay figures.
and I think Paula and kumatora would have been much better choices.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:01 am   Reply with quote

I actually think it's the fact that not everyone has played every game series used in Brawl (besides Mario).
Maya Fey wrote:
and I think Paula and kumatora would have been much better choices.
*points at above*
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:06 am   Reply with quote

Ness should atleast have PSI Rockin' omega for his final smash. Not having it sakurai, is epic. Epic FAILURE.

He should also fight with PSI telebort B for an ub B. He runs around in midair, and touching him pwns you if he's still going.

Side B: PSI paralysis: Picture Mewtwo's flash attack from melee

Down B: It wouldn't hurt to keep PSI magnet here, since I can't think of a better move for down B.

His "okay" taunt should be the peace sign pose.

He should also have a PSI healing taunt that can heal him from 1%-10% Like young link in the other game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:35 pm   Reply with quote

Lucas is GAY! I do not like using him and ness. Same in Melee and SSB64, Ness should just be a regular fighter and NOT a magic user.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:39 pm   Reply with quote

Bowser II wrote:
Lucas is GAY! I do not like using him and ness. Same in Melee and SSB64, Ness should just be a regular fighter and NOT a magic user.


Ness doesn't use magic. He uses PSI. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:05 pm   Reply with quote

Lord Bob wrote:
Bowser II wrote:
Lucas is GAY! I do not like using him and ness. Same in Melee and SSB64, Ness should just be a regular fighter and NOT a magic user.


Ness doesn't use magic. He uses PSI. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

So true, so true.
though i thought only smart people get psi powers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:58 pm   Reply with quote

Sakurai likes them young

Anyways, I think the developers had in mind to keep anyone from being overpowered while at the same time being lazy and save space on the programmings.

Besides PSI Rockin, which is kinda hard to imagine on a sideway third-person view (considering how to aim the attack), and PSI Flash, Ness didn't have anymore offensive PSI.

If you take Ness brute-out of Earthbound and apply directly to the Smash Game, Ness would be kinda overpowered.

As for Lucas, I don't even know if Ness is supposed to be a kid or a teenager.

You also to consider many other inconsistency in the SSB series. Each moves are somewhat derived from the canon (with some exceptions of course), but some are dug up pretty far.

A wonder is that Peach, in SMB2, is the worst character when it comes to picking up vegetables, yet she is the one using this move in brawl.

A move dug up pretty far, it would be the Super Jump Punch, the Egg Roll, the DK Punch (which could come from DKC2).

An inconsistency would be that Ness or Lucas use moves learned by other party members. Another inconsistency is that Squirtle can drown while Charizard and Sonic can swim.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:35 pm   Reply with quote

Mandew wrote:
An inconsistency would be that Ness or Lucas use moves learned by other party members. Another inconsistency is that Squirtle can drown while Charizard and Sonic can swim.
Charizard goes down MUCH faster than any other character when swimming, so technically it doesn't swim.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:36 pm   Reply with quote

If you get his FS Trophy, it says "Lucas doesn't use PK Starstorm normally, but Kumatora taught it to him when he learned he was going to appear in Brawl."

Dumbest reason ever.
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