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Legalizing marijuana. Yes or no?
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Legalizing marijuana
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:07 pm   Reply with quote
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MJ leads to other things btw. Once people get high enough, they can't obtain the same high they got with MJ so they look to stronger and more dangerous drugs.

THIS IS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS HELL NAH

You're all dumb. >_>


http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_research1.shtml

http://www.antiproibizionisti.it/public/docs/thelancet_20070323.pdf

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg/350px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg.png

Tobacco and alcohol are more harmful in both physical and psychological ways than marijuana. They also have the same "can't get high as easily" effect that you brought up as marijuana, only on a greater scale. Does this mean alcohol should be made illegal? No, because people enjoy alcohol, but we encourage them to use it responsibly (Which alot of alcohol users do.). The same should go for marijuana, as plenty of people use it, and use it responsibly (And it can be used responsibly more easily than alcohol and tobacco, as well.)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:50 pm   Reply with quote
My uncle got pretty messed up on legal "MJ"

I say no. It works as a pain killer and stuff, but I'm sure there is other stuff that can do the same thing, if not better. Also, many people do after getting it legally, when the perscription expires, get it illegally. And that shit is bad for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:21 am   Reply with quote
Franish wrote:
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MJ leads to other things btw. Once people get high enough, they can't obtain the same high they got with MJ so they look to stronger and more dangerous drugs.

THIS IS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS HELL NAH

You're all dumb. >_>


http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_research1.shtml

http://www.antiproibizionisti.it/public/docs/thelancet_20070323.pdf

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg/350px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg.png

Tobacco and alcohol are more harmful in both physical and psychological ways than marijuana. They also have the same "can't get high as easily" effect that you brought up as marijuana, only on a greater scale. Does this mean alcohol should be made illegal? No, because people enjoy alcohol, but we encourage them to use it responsibly (Which alot of alcohol users do.). The same should go for marijuana, as plenty of people use it, and use it responsibly (And it can be used responsibly more easily than alcohol and tobacco, as well.)


I say once again: When have the masses ever been responsible ?

Also, you can pick up like twenty studies on every street corner. Studies are the hookers of science, it appears.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:52 am   Reply with quote
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I say once again: When have the masses ever been responsible ?


True, the masses aren't responsible for the incidents caused by marijuana, nor are they for the incidents caused by alcohol.

So, what are you getting at?

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Also, you can pick up like twenty studies on every street corner. Studies are the hookers of science, it appears.


What's better; citing studies conducted by scientific and health research groups that provide information on whether marijuana is truly harmful or not, or just listening to television ads and school teachers say it's bad because, well, because?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:05 am   Reply with quote
Franish wrote:
Zelnor wrote:

I say once again: When have the masses ever been responsible ?


True, the masses aren't responsible for the incidents caused by marijuana, nor are they for the incidents caused by alcohol.

So, what are you getting at?


I say that they aren't responsible as in they will abuse it, and with the quicker inebriation, stronger effects, etc. this may end up being more dangerous then alcohol.

EDIT: Oh, and if I hurt someone besides myself because I have consumed certain substances, then you are very responsible.

Cid wrote:

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Also, you can pick up like twenty studies on every street corner. Studies are the hookers of science, it appears.


What's better; citing studies conducted by scientific and health research groups that provide information on whether marijuana is truly harmful or not, or just listening to television ads and school teachers say it's bad because, well, because?


It's a drug. It changes the brain chemistry, often in irreversible ways. People will abuse it, and its in the public mind as a drug. We'd open a pathway to legalize stronger and stronger stuff.

I know that the public wouldn't stand for a ban of alcohol and cigarettes (and as they say, everyone is his own misfortune's smith) but this is just ridiculous.

Besides, there are a million other medications out there that act as painkiller and whatever. If you're so hot on whatever the compound is, analyse marijuana and to clinical studies.

I just think that the legalization would open a floodgate.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:40 am   Reply with quote
Zelnor wrote:

I say that they aren't responsible as in they will abuse it, and with the quicker inebriation, stronger effects, etc. this may end up being more dangerous then alcohol.


I assumed you meant "responsible" as in they weren't responsible for what the idiots do with the substances.

No, if the majority of people who do drugs didn't do them responsibly, then most people who enjoy alcohol would be alcoholics (Which isn't the case.)

And if people are able to remain responsible regarding a substance that is more addictive and dangerous (Alcohol), why couldn't they with marijuana?

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EDIT: Oh, and if I hurt someone besides myself because I have consumed certain substances, then you are very responsible.


Of course the drug user is reponsible. That's why people are encouraged to use said substances responsibly (Which most people do.)

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It's a drug. It changes the brain chemistry, often in irreversible ways. People will abuse it, and its in the public mind as a drug. We'd open a pathway to legalize stronger and stronger stuff.


The fact remains that it isn't nearly as harmful as it is exaggerated to be, and we already have plenty of substances that are more harmful yet legal that we are still able to cope with. Plus, most reliable research leads to the conclusion that marijuana, if used casually, won't change the brain in irreversible ways. To say otherwise would be basing one's opinion on pseudo-science "conducted" by the government.

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I know that the public wouldn't stand for a ban of alcohol and cigarettes (and as they say, everyone is his own misfortune's smith) but this is just ridiculous.


How is it ridiculous? I don't understand why one is willing to keep a substance banned when one is against the idea of far more dangerous substances being made illegal for the same reason people want marijuana legalized (And that is because if someone uses marijuana responsibly, that's their own issue, not someone else's.) Plus, plenty of people use marijuana already, despite it being illegal. Legalizing marijuana won't cause a massive increase in the use of the substance; if anything, it would cause a massive decrease in the amount of criminal activity revolving around drugs.

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I just think that the legalization would open a floodgate.


But it wouldn't. Look to where I spoke about how the "gateway" arguement is poor. We allowed homosexuals in to our society, but that didn't cause people to get away with having sex with children. Most people who use marijuana responsibly understand that other drugs are far worse, and wouldn't use them. The idea that all people who use marijuana are addicts or are easily accepting of other drugs is a gross generalization based on a few stereotypes that get the media and government's attention (But as I said, why should the majority of people be punished for a few idiots who lack self control?)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:13 pm   Reply with quote
Marijuana really isn't as bad as the government says it is. Sure, it'll make you a bit retarded a while after use, but as for long-term effects... That's all government propaganda. Seriously, it is. I would know, some people I know are nuts for the stuff. They aren't addicted (since it's a non-addictive drug), so they do it for pure enjoyment. One of my best friends has been doing it for years, and he maintains the same straight-A average.

Now, to the side of "the government can't tax it". Lies. The government can tax it as easily as tobacco. Think of it this way: People grow tobacco freely. Those people could easily sell it to whoever they want, whenever they want. Yet, the government still finds a way to tax larger producers to make money. Why is it so different for marijuana? People grow it, and then sell it to whoever they want, whenever they want. So, maybe if it was legalized, companies would mass produce it, therefore letting the government tax it.


Comparison:

Tobacco companies - taxed.
Independent sellers - not taxed.

Marijuana companies - taxed.
Independent sellers - not taxed.


Same problem either way. Bam, no one should care. Legalize the shit. It's non-lethal, unlike other drugs that SHOULD be banned. I'm not supporting cocaine, or LSD, or heroin. No way in hell would I support those. They're health hazards (well, LSD isn't nearly as bad compared to the other 2), and if something can be smoked freely without long-term risks, why not legalize it?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm   Reply with quote
Zelnor wrote:
Also, you can pick up like twenty studies on every street corner. Studies are the hookers of science, it appears.
You can't say "Let me see some studies" and then denounce the credibility of studies once someone does.

This is a popular and controversial subject, so there's going to be a lot of studies about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:50 pm   Reply with quote
If marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be super illegal. :U
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:17 pm   Reply with quote
Legalizing Marijuana = More stupid people in the world.

We already have more then enough stupid people.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:08 pm   Reply with quote
Larry Koopa wrote:
Legalizing Marijuana = More stupid people in the world.

We already have more then enough stupid people.


Most of the people who would buy it legally probably already buy it illegally.

Legalizing it wouldn't really affect society aside from lowering criminal activity.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:37 pm   Reply with quote
Larry Koopa wrote:
Legalizing Marijuana = More stupid people in the world.

We already have more then enough stupid people.
On the contrary, it would probably help weed out the stupid people from the smart people.

...Haha. Weed.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:21 am   Reply with quote
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(But as I said, why should the majority of people be punished for a few idiots who lack self control?)


Let's see... School shootings and violent video games are the first example - things that most people are able to cope with go under fire and prejudice because some psychologically unstable people thought it would be the best solution to use them to plot murder.

The Law is mostly made to protect the few from the idiocity of the masses.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:46 am   Reply with quote
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Let's see... School shootings and violent video games are the first example - things that most people are able to cope with go under fire and prejudice because some psychologically unstable people thought it would be the best solution to use them to plot murder.


Yes, but despite minor legislation thrown around by Jack Thompson and a few others, violent videogames haven't been banned yet. And most likely, they won't be.

And even then, by using this arguement against the legalization of marijuana, your stance becomes unclear. Do you mean that violent videogames actually cause trouble, or what? And if that's the case, are you implying that violent videogames be banned because they cause some to become trouble-makers like marijuana does? Where do you stand?

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The Law is mostly made to protect the few from the idiocity of the masses.


The other way around.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:50 am   Reply with quote
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The Law is mostly made to protect the few from the idiocity of the masses.


The other way around.


I congratulate you on not being jaded and / or arrogant as much as I am.

Though legalizing it just to clean up the crime statistics wouldn't help.

If it's so good, I wonder why it is illegal in the first place.
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